Aspect ratio?


Anyone know the original aspect ratio of this film?

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1.85:1

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1:85.1 can't be right...unless it's anamorphic hard matte. it looks to me like it was shot 2:35:1 which was Frankenheimer's preferred aspect ratio of shooting his movies. It's panned and scanned and there are scenes that look rather cramped which means it was shot anamorphcially.

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It was shot Panavision - 2.40 to 1 This is why the VHS is worthless - pan and scan

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That's really surprising, for I'm a rabid letterbox fan who can usually spot a cropped VHS job, and I didn't detect much of that. And, hey, this came out on tape in 1983, and I didn't know they did pan-and-scan this early.

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It was filmed 35mm hardmatted 1,85:1.



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Ehh... Bruce Lee is dead.
Then get his brother!!!

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No way. it is not 1.85.1. The picture looks zoomed in another way of telling that the film was shot anamoprhic.

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The film was shot Flat - 1.85:1 with the full 1.33:1 negative exposed.

This is proven by a number of things:

1) The definitive book on Frankenheimer, by Charles Champlin says so.
2) The video is an open matte transfer at 1.33:1. There is clearly no information missing on the sides, but there is a huge amount of dead headroom, and dead space at the bottom of the frame.
3) The burned-in subtitles on the VHS are extremely high up in the frame. They're in the right place for matted projection in theaters.
4) If you play the VHS zoomed in on a 16:9 TV, you'll get the original framing, as I did. The subtitles are in exactly the right place now, and the framing always looks perfect.
5) You can test this for yourself with the following YouTube clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwFSK9NueNg&NR=1

Play it cropped on your computer, everything looks correct at 16:9 or 1.85

6) All of Frankenheimer's films from 1980-1996 were flat.

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Interesting theories everybody. What Luckard says makes a lot of sense. I tried watching cropped at 16:9 and 1.85:1 but I noticed that the tops of peoples heads were often cut off; this was naturally more noticeable at 1.85:1. I had better luck watching at at 16:10. There's small bars on the sides watching it on my 16:9 monitor, but heads aren't chopped (at least not until they are supposed to be).


That's my two-cents... want change?

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