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Diane Keaton deserved the Oscar, but...


...I can understand why she didn't get it. Her character was simply too annoying. Far too annoying considering the members of the Academy were mostly elder men. And those men seamed to prefer giving the award to one of the stars of the "golden age" of Hollywood, Katherine Hepburn for "On Golden Pond".
I watched "On Golden Pond" years after watching "Reds" and I was very disappointed with Hepburns Oscar-winning performance there. Henry Fonda was great as her partner and truly deserved the award, but Hepburn was nothing more than a supporting character. Even Jane Fonda as the daughter was better than her (but not better than Stapleton in "Reds" who won the supporting actress category that year). Keatons character is a strong, determined woman who had her flaws like any human being. A feminist, yes. Who sometimes let's her emotions to take over reason, more than once. But still is a strong character and is performed flawlessly by Keaton. Too bad the voters of the Academy looked too much on the negative parts I pointed out. For me, Keaton delivered the best performance.

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Hey Kachito. Nice post. Although I'm not quite sure where you're at. You write that you understand why Keaton didn't win, while also saying you thought she gave the best performance, and also point out reasons why Hepburn shouldn't have won that year. So... If you're saying you think the Academy gave it to Hepburn because they love her (and I love her too!), instead of basing it on the performances alone, then I agree w/ you! IMO, Keaton absolutely deserved the Oscar that year. Easily. And the idea that the character she played was "annoying" is #1) Not a reason to discount the performance (if the character was supposed to come as "annoying," and Keaton did make her "annoying" to you, then that should count as a positive in terms of acting the part...), and #2) Whether some of the character's personality traits are annoying or not is subjective.

That stuff being said, basically any reason to write/think about Keaton and Reds is a good one! Thanks for posting...








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I find Diane Keaton to be incredibly annoying in her comedic roles, but I continue to think that she was brilliant in "Reds" and certainly should have won the Oscar. "Reds" was the first movie that my husband and I recorded when we got our first VHS VCR player-recorder, and I watched it again tonight on Cinemax. I continue to think that it is Keaton's best performance.

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Hey Elynne, I share your opinion on Keaton's best performance being from Reds. For me, her second best is from Allen's Interiors. While I could understand someone feeling that that film is "pretentious" or maybe overly derivative (ie: Bergman or Chekhov...), I think it's tremendous. And Keaton is amazing; as is everyone else in the film (particularly Mary Beth Hurt...)





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I haven't seen "Interiors" in many years, so I'll have to make it my business to find it and revisit it. When it comes to Diane Keaton in Woody Allen movies, I used to like "Annie Hall" but now it feels like fingernails on a chalkboard. I guess that Keaton in Woody's "Love and Death" is easier for me to appreciate.

And when it comes to Woody Allen comedies:
#1. I prefer the films featuring Mia Farrow, like "Broadway Danny Rose," "Zelig," "Radio Days," and "Hannah and her Sisters" to the films that feature Keaton. (Although I just remembered that Keaton had a small singing role in "Radio Days"-- but Farrow was hilarious while trying to learn to speak correctly for the radio audience.)
#2. And I prefer Woody Allen movies that do not star Woody Allen, like "Radio Days" and my must-always-watch-it-when-it's-on "Midnight in Paris," which I think is his most brilliant work.

Sorry about going really off-topic there!!

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No apologies necessary đź‘Ť As to your changing view of Annie Hall... I hear you. For me, some of Woody's stuff is "timeless," and some feels dated to me. Personally, I'm not so sure that's a bad thing either. Maybe it's ok to make something that's only good for the moment. And I wouldn't be able to say whether I prefer his films he acts in, or ones he's not acting in. Haven't thought about it. But I will say I think his "funniest" film is Bullets Over Broadway. Just absolutely hilarious and brilliant all the way through. By far my favorite of his comedies. Ironic, as I don't believe it's one of his that gets a whole lotta mention. Bullets is also rather insightful while it's being funny, which is something Woody seems to be consistently going after, but doesn't always pull off. Bullets has it in spades...





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What did you think about Streep? I know that she won the Golden Globe and the Bafta for The French Lieutenant's Woman but of course Hepburn received the Oscar.

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To be honest Keaton deserved it more than Hepburn.

Its that man again!!

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She's great, but I think the reason why she lost was more due to the fact she'd won her first Oscar just four years before.

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I think the reason why she lost was more due to the fact she'd won her first Oscar just four years before.
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I'm not so sure if that should have mattered, if winning an Oscar is supposed to be what is regarded as 'best'....as subjective as that is. Hepburn, won her fourth for POND and won 2 back to back in 67' & 68'. Keaton should have won, hands down. I like ON GOLDEN POND, and Henry Fonda was more deserving, than what Hepburn was—who I found cloying and more annoying, than Keaton's feisty Louise Bryant. Hepburn's performance, lacked the fire, spontaneity and layers of Keaton's performance.

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Diane was so annoying that I had to stop watching the DVD. I don't understand how somebody like Beatty's character could possibly be attracted to her, with all the whining.

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The older men tend to award actresses who play hookets or mistresses.

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I had difficulty with Hepburn's character. She slapped her daughter's face when she complained about the verbal abuse her father heaped on her all of her life. (I remember the audience clapping.) I remember thinking where this woman was when father was hurting daughter.

I would never stand by and enable my husband to hurt our children.

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