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A Zulawski masterpiece


Back in 1980, Polish director Andrej Zulawski had an idea for a movie. Trying to sum it up, he probably made it sound overly "arty" and convoluted so he simplified his pitch--he told an American distributor it was about a beautiful girl who gets *beep* by an octopus. What's even more astonishing about that tale is that the distributor bought it and ponied up part of the money Zulawski needed to make the picture. The result was POSSESSION, starring Isabelle Adjani and Sam Neill.My cinematic studies were rather extensive last year--probably a few hundred movies, in all--but POSSESSION was one of the absolute best I saw all year, and one of the most intense movies I've ever seen. I felt utterly drained after watching it. It's exhausting, to be sure, but in a good way.

The aforementioned "octopus" wasn't really an octopus but it was a monster with a lot of arms, and it did *beep* Isabelle Adjani. The movie isn't "about" that, though. It's actually a very intense, visceral study of the disintegration of a once-functional marriage. Art reflected life--POSSESSION was made right after the traumatic collapse of Zulawski's own marriage. His film offers an excruciatingly detailed and unflinching map of the emotional landscape of two people whose relationship has disintegrated and left them in absolute agony, their lives in pieces, and the two of them trapped in a sort of emotional limbo. They can't stand to be together. They can't stand to be apart. Isabelle Adjani, lost in her pain and seemingly verging on madness, gives birth to a monster, a literal physical representation of her emotional state. At first, it's in a constant state of evolution. She sequesters it away, cares for it, nurtures it, and yes, is *beep* by it, until it finishes its last transformation. That transformation is a major plot twist. It's the sort of thing I should have seen coming, but totally missed until the big reveal at the end. It is said that a picture speaks a thousand words. The reveal near the end of this ups the word-count substantially.

And that isn't even the end, yet. Zulawski sees the end of this relationship as something akin to the end of the world. And, in the movie, this is literally the case.

(How's that for a hook?)

Zulawski shot and edited the film in a raw, frenetic style. The camera, as agitated and unstable as the characters, is forever moving, moving, moving, covering most of the interaction between the two leads in tight, claustrophobic shots that bore in so closely we can almost count the pores in their faces. Adjani, in particular, has a remarkable face for film, and Zulawski makes perhaps the best use of it of any of her directors over the years. For their part, Neill and Adjani are just excellent, and in a pair of extraordinarily demanding parts that could have been disastrous in lesser hands (and, one suspects, would have sent most thespians running home, crying for momma). Adjani was unnerved, even horrified, by the intensity of the film, dubbing it "psychological pornography." The Cannes Film Festival awarded her Best Actress for her work on it.

POSSESSION is rather long, just over two hours. Back in the mid-'80s, it was released on video in the U.S. in a substantially butchered version--the distributors apparently tried to re-edit it into something like an exploitation film. Needless to say, it quickly died (I can't even imagine who would have come up with such a project, or how they'd have gone about it). Luckily, at the dawn of DVD, good ol' Anchor Bay--back before they'd become a recurring joke/tragedy themselves--came along and saved it, releasing it in its complete form in the U.S. for the first time, accompanied by a very good Zulawski commentary track. I bought this one virtually blind last year, having read a single laudatory review that told almost nothing of the plot. I'm very glad I did.

In a sign of how badly Anchor Bay has stumbled since selling out to Starz, POSSESSION has been allowed to go out of print and stay that way for quite some time. But they do offer us ROSEANNE: THE COMPLETE 5th SEASON! A real monster, to be sure, but one that *beep* us, instead of Isabelle Adjani.

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I really like, and appreciate what you have to say on Possession.

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I really like, and appreciate what you have to say on Possession.

Thank you. I do try.

Upon seeing it, I was really astonished that the movie isn't much better known. It's quite good, and deserves a bigger audience than it has gotten, and even as I discovered it, it had been allowed to go out of print.

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I had remembered always seeing the artwork on the vhs back in the day when I was a kid. My parents were always astonished that I was drawn to sexually charged femme fatale esque genres. I never got to see it, then I went nuts for Isabelle Adjani after seeing her in Adele H. and Camille Claudel, and La Reine Margot so I had to track Possession down. I purchased the region 1 Anchor Bay release on dvd for like 50 dollars, and have had a passionate love affair for the film ever since. I especially love the lines about faith and hope. It really is a shame that the film is not so known. It and Ken Russells The Devils are among my most favorite of films. I even have framed mint posters of each in my entertainment room. It makes for a very complicated relationships I find. It seems other women are most incapable of interest in my taste of films and men are disturbed by it. Oh well, popularity is the epitome of mediocrity. I did however really enjoy your candid dialogue.

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I had remembered always seeing the artwork on the vhs back in the day when I was a kid. My parents were always astonished that I was drawn to sexually charged femme fatale-esque genres. I never got to see it, then I went nuts for Isabelle Adjani after seeing her in Adele H. and Camille Claudel, and La Reine Margot so I had to track Possession down.

It's probably just as well that you never saw the film back then. That VHS was probably the hacked-up version of the movie. One could make a real mess of POSSESSION by poorly editing it. I've never seen that version, but I can just imagine what it may have looked like (as I'm sure you can, as well).

Isabelle Adjani has a remarkable face for cinema. Zulawski makes very good use of it in that movie. Perhaps only Herzog's NOSFERATU is on par with POSSESSION on that score.

I purchased the region 1 Anchor Bay release on dvd for like 50 dollars, and have had a passionate love affair for the film ever since.

I got lucky and snagged AB's double feature release of it, paired with Mario Bava's SHOCK (which is also a good one). It had apparently only then gone out of print, so I got it fairly cheap.

I especially love the lines about faith and hope.

Isabelle crumbling under the gaze of that Jesus statue, so desperately searching for something, anything from it, finding nothing, and being almost overwhelmed by it. GREAT stuff.

It really is a shame that the film is not so known. It and Ken Russell's The Devils are among my most favorite of films.

Believe it or not, I've never even seen THE DEVILS, which seems a crime, because I'm a Ken Russell fan, too.

I even have framed mint posters of each in my entertainment room. It makes for a very complicated relationships I find. It seems other women are most incapable of interest in my taste of films and men are disturbed by it.

LOL! Yes, I can see them being rather alienating. I live in a small, rural town--I'm probably one of the only people in the entire town with a taste for such material.

Oh well, popularity is the epitome of mediocrity.

You've got that right. It used to be that, as I got older, I got less and less interested in anything "mainstream." Now, I find that the older I get, the more overtly anti-mainstream I become. Cinema is an art best indulged by those who wish to make an art of it.

I did however really enjoy your candid dialogue.

Hey, it's always good to find a more substantive dialogue than a lot of the nonsense that goes on here on these boards.

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Thank you all.. I have often wondered about this and, being a fan of both stars, have regretted not watching the cinema release in entirety.
Is it available in the UK? DVD?

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I really enjoy Shock too!

I am a bit twisted in my tastes. Most 25 year old women dont enjoy films like "Killer" or any Jess Franco and Alejandro Jodorowsky films. Especially girly ones like me. Im so a princess on the outside, but I enjoy being contrary.

You must get your hands on Ken Russells The Devils. OMG! You of all people I think would truly appreciate it. To me it is his best film, and Oliver and Vanessa's best preformances. You can find a mostly unedited version of it on Amazon from Angel Digital. Its the best we have to uncut for now. It is far more explicit than the original Warner vhs release.

Crimes Of Passion is probably my second favorite from Russell.

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This is the Amazon.com link for the region 2 release which I believe is the UK. It is completely unedited, and actually cheaper than the region free, and region 1 option we have here in the states. 19.95 USD

I actually think the artwork for the Region 2 UK release is better also. I own a region free player so I now own both copies and admire the region 2 release artwork more so.


Here is the link for you Tulpa.
:)

http://www.amazon.com/Possession-Isabelle-Adjani/dp/B000AM32OY/ref=pd_bbs_4?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1209162105&sr=8-4


Kylie

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Thank you Kylie. I shall order it straight away.
I have seen and loved 'The Devils'... I shall now fill up a big syringe with mustard and dirty water in your honour!

Tulpa.

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You really know how to sweet talk a Miami girl! ;)

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And what of other Zulawski works - The Important Thing is to Love with the beautiful Romy Schneider? BTW, I have found a clip on the net of Adjani going mad in the subway station in Possession - the Cannes Film Festival version that has never been seen since, either in theatres or on video. This is the full edit where Adjani begins hissing like a cat, doubled over and up against the wall. You don't see that in the "uncut" Anchor Bay version. Here is the link: http://www.ina.fr/archivespourtous/index.php?vue=notice&id_notice=CAA8100729001

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Actually that is seen in the region 2 which contains additional footage not contained in the anchor bay release...just check the run times.

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I really enjoy Shock too!

Great stuff. Bava is the cat's meow.

I am a bit twisted in my tastes. Most 25 year old women dont enjoy films like "Killer" or any Jess Franco and Alejandro Jodorowsky films.

Ha! Perhaps the Understatement of the Decade To Date. Franco has become one of my all-time favorites. I only recently got to see any of Jodorowsky's work, after reading about it for years. EL TOPO is a remarkable movie. I have the AB box set, but that's the only one I've watched so far. What do you think of Jean Rollin?

You must get your hands on Ken Russells The Devils. OMG! You of all people I think would truly appreciate it. To me it is his best film, and Oliver and Vanessa's best preformances. You can find a mostly unedited version of it on Amazon from Angel Digital. Its the best we have to uncut for now. It is far more explicit than the original Warner vhs release.

It's been on my unofficial "to see" list for years--anything with that reputation ends up there. I've just never gotten around to it.

Crimes Of Passion is probably my second favorite from Russell.

I like Russell's work. I really loved WHORE, ALTERED STATES, and GOTHIC. THE LAIR OF THE WHITE WORM is more of a challenge, but still some incredible imagery. I think CRIMES OF PASSION is about half of a great movie. When Russell stays with Turner or Hopkins, it's excellent. Practically everything with the other fellow is just awful--the long, long sideshows (a freakshow, at times) about his domestic life sink the movie like a stone for the duration of their running time. In my view, WHORE was much, much better.

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What??? That scene is in the Region 2 release? Why not in Anchor Bay??? That is totally unfair!! So Anchor Bay lied! They claim that it is "uncut" but it really is not. Liars!! Man, I wish someone could upload the full region 2 scene of Adjani in the subway station on youtube. That was the most powerful scene I have ever seen an actor perform - NO ONE does madness like Isabelle Adjani. I have also heard that there is a frame in this scene missing - where you see two eyes from the monster appear in the blood in the the subway scene. Is that true?

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where you see two eyes from the monster appear in the blood in the the subway scene. Is that true?

I have never seen that.

The Subway scene and sex scene with the "whatever you call it" are a little longer. Its like a total of 3 minutes at the max.


NO ONE does madness like Isabelle Adjani

I AGREE...after I come home from work I have almost managed to beat her...but not yet.

She is my favorite actress. I think she may actually be insane though. All the more reason to love her more in my opinion.

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to: jriddle 73

I have seen at most maybe 2 of Jean Rollins films.Fascination & Demoniacs come to mind. Though I have been told those arent his best. Its pretty much fantastic garbage. Hmmm...it is Kinda porn too sometimes. Im starting to wonder if I am maybe revealing a bit too much information about myself. Im not the next star of Story Of O, my tastes are exclusive to films. I tend to have a rather dynamic imagination so I enjoy many other genres. My passions are not limited to lesbian killers, and octopus fu**ing. Though I did have a boyfriend who in retrospect was a slimey bastard. Which Jean Rollin's film would you suggest I watch?

WHORE is GREAT! I love WHORE. I have that poster in my entertainment room too. I cant say I enjoy it better than C.O.P. though. I love Kathleen turner in that movie and it makes me laugh my ass off. I agree that the story is most interesting between Perkins and Turner, and it certainly makes it's share of mistakes. I will say this though...out of any film I have ever seen...I can identify with China Blue\Joanna most. Except im not a whore, but you can read between the lines. So my affection for her may blind me to the reality of the film.

I bought the region 4 dvd of Whore just to own on DVD. It pains me the tittle says PUTA though. :( Yet I know they mean the same thing.

I enjoy Lair Of The White Worm in secret mind you. It is a mess.

Gothic, love it.
Altered States, love it.
Women In Love, love it

Any other great movies I should watch? You seem to know alot about the kind I like. Throw in a few surprises.

Kylie

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I have seen at most maybe 2 of Jean Rollins films.Fascination & Demoniacs come to mind. Though I have been told those arent his best. Its pretty much fantastic garbage. Hmmm...it is Kinda porn too sometimes. Im starting to wonder if I am maybe revealing a bit too much information about myself. Im not the next star of Story Of O, my tastes are exclusive to films. I tend to have a rather dynamic imagination so I enjoy many other genres. My passions are not limited to lesbian killers, and octopus fu**ing. Though I did have a boyfriend who in retrospect was a slimey bastard. Which Jean Rollin's film would you suggest I watch?

FASCINATION is my all-time favorite Rollin. Brigitte Lahaie (another astonishing screen face), decked out in riding cloak, taking out the bad guys with a long scythe. Most excellent! It seems like a series of paintings come to life, or a literal adaptation of a very good comic. I liked DEMONIACS, too, but that one is a lot more divisive, as Rollin tends to be (people don't just love him or hate him--those who love him all love him differently). I liked NIGHT OF THE HUNTED, which seems to be a minority opinion among Rollin buffs. If Nicholas Ray mated with David Cronenberg, their director offspring would probably produce something like NIGHT OF THE HUNTED. I don't care that much for THE LIVING DEAD GIRL, which also seems to put me in a minority. It's a fantastic idea, often done quite well, but its severely compromised by producer interference. LIPS OF BLOOD is probably my second favorite, and it's probably more representative of the rest of his work. If you decide to pursue Rollin, that's probably where you should go next. Rollin, like Jesus Franco, is a poet of lurid romanticism, but his emphasis is much more on the "romanticism" than the "lurid" (unlike Franco, who can do it all).

WHORE is GREAT! I love WHORE. I have that poster in my entertainment room too.

That it doesn't seem to have a larger following is rather shocking to me. It's one of the few movies in the history of the medium that managed to generate a great deal of controversy in its day while reaping very little benefit from that controversy.

I cant say I enjoy it better than C.O.P. though. I love Kathleen turner in that movie and it makes me laugh my ass off. I agree that the story is most interesting between Perkins and Turner, and it certainly makes it's share of mistakes. I will say this though...out of any film I have ever seen...I can identify with China Blue\Joanna most. Except im not a whore, but you can read between the lines. So my affection for her may blind me to the reality of the film.

I really like the movie myself, but I do think it's so strikingly uneven in the way I described it that it looks like two different directors who never met shot the different parts of it. When I first saw it, my immediate impression was that this was a great movie that came up too short for a feature, and someone decided to shoot some lousy, improvised inserts to pad it out. All of the Turner and Turner/Perkins stuff is great. GREAT dialogue. The PSYCHO riff at the end? Priceless.

I bought the region 4 dvd of Whore just to own on DVD. It pains me the tittle says PUTA though. :( Yet I know they mean the same thing.

Ha! A small price to pay for having it on disc. I just made a disc out of my old VHS tape. It will serve until some distributor gets on the ball. I'd like to hear Russell do commentary on it, and, last I heard, he'd fallen on hard times, and could probably use the dough.

I enjoy Lair Of The White Worm in secret mind you. It is a mess.

Really uneven as a movie, but filled with striking images. Amanda Donohoe rules the show.

Gothic, love it.
Altered States, love it.
Women In Love, love it


Haven't seen that last one. It's one of Russell's first, right?

Any other great movies I should watch? You seem to know alot about the kind I like. Throw in a few surprises.

A few random good picks, comin' right up. I'll probably come up with some (or many) you've seen, but probably not all. Give me guidance:

CRASH
Not that POS that won Best Picture a year or two ago, but David Cronenberg's study of a group of car-crash fetishists.

CEMETERY MAN
Love and death and being trapped in a horror movie as existential crisis. Great dialogue.

HARD CANDY
Saw this one only recently--a great little movie about a would-be internet predator who, pursuing his latest potential prey, finds the tables turned on him.

EUGENIE DE SADE
Jesus Franco flick with stunning Soledad Miranda as the stepdaughter of a Sadean murderous mastermind who has raised her from an infant to be his perfect companion in life and in crime.

VENUS IN FURS
Another Franco with a gang of rich degenerates being pursued by a woman they apparently murdered playing S&M games, and a jazz musician whose stuck in the middle.

VIDEODROME
Another Cronenberg, this one a signature film with the most excellent James Woods as a sleazy cable operator whose mind is manipulated by a sinister conspiracy. Definitely a keeper.

Ms. 45
Abel Ferrara's very '70s-ish rape/revenge story. Zoe Lund avenging herself on lecherous men in a New York that more closely resembles Hell than a major U.S. city.

THE NIGHT PORTER
Dark tale of a former Nazi concentration camp prisoner forced to fvck her way out of death during the war; when, years later, she runs into her old SS lover/tormentor (now a wanted war-criminal), she chooses to renew their relationship. Another definite keeper.

INFERNO
I throw this one in because everyone seems to have already seen SUSPIRIA (STRONGLY recommended, if you haven't), but this, its sequel, is often overlooked. Lots of great imagery, some of the best work of Dario Argento's career.

GINGER SNAPS
Great little Canadian tale of the always-explosive combo of teen girls and lycanthropy. Both sequels are also recommended.

SECRETARY
Something a little lighter. Maggie Gyllenhaal very amusingly finds true love as a sub in an S&M relationship with her boss (James Spader).

JUST ABOUT ANY DAVID LYNCH MOVIE
BLUE VELVET and its unofficial companion series TWIN PEAKS and its official film companion FIRE WALK WITH ME, and WILD AT HEART, and LOST HIGHWAY, and MULHOLLAND DRIVE, and probably INLAND EMPIRE,too (I have that one, but haven't yet watched it). I likes me Lynch a lots. You've probably seen most of his work, though.

QUILLS
Philip Kaufman, Kate Winslet, and Michael Caine vs. Geoffrey Rush as the Marquis de Sade vs. censorship. INCREDIBLE piece of work.

Hmmm... The list seems too mainstream. I should work on it more. I have to get some sleep for now, though. Give me guidance!

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I replied to you via private message.

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I just replied to you the same way.

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Another one to add to your list:

Jess Franco's SUCCUBUS (1968). Makes a nice companion piece to POSSESSION. It's also about a "possessed" woman, it doesn't make a whole lotta sense if you take the plot at face value and it was also filmed in Berlin!

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Another one to add to your list:

Jess Franco's SUCCUBUS (1968). Makes a nice companion piece to POSSESSION. It's also about a "possessed" woman, it doesn't make a whole lotta sense if you take the plot at face value and it was also filmed in Berlin!


A gem, to be sure! I'm not sure it really works as a "companion piece to POSSESSION, but it is a somewhat similar theme, and a damn good movie.

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Why hasn't anyone mentioned Matthew Bright's 'Freeway.'

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A great movie, to be sure. Not sure how it ties into POSSESSION, though.

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At this point, I don't remember why I brought it up. I'd probably have to look though all the posts to remember why that made sense.

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Zulawski is now one of my top 5 favorite directors. Another Horror film he made that was sadly overlooked was Diabel (The Devil). That film is evil incarnate. The print for the Polarts dvd is of course terrible, but you should check it out nonetheless. Mondo Vision has the rights to release Diabel, and if you know Mondo Vision, you know that they will do justice to the film. The problem is that they will release the film sometime in 2013. Oh, well.

Mondo Vision is planning on releasing On A Silver Globe this year! Amazing! And I haven't even seen the film yet!

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Yes.

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This film is a curious little oddity, but most certainly not a masterpiece by any stretch of imagination. For one thing, the acting is simply awful. Adjani gives one of the most annoyingly grating performances of all time. She either screams or throws herself about like a lunatic in every scene she's in, showing all the range of a baboon in heat. Sam Neil isn't much better, veering as he does between bewilderment and insanity and back again with absolutely nothing in between.

It doesn't work as a horror due to the utter absence of suspense, but neither does it work as an effective marital break-up drama, lacking the gravitas and subtlety needed for such an undertaking. The dialogue is embarrassingly inane and provides no insight whatsoever. Furthermore, there's no arc or pacing of any sort. The characters are as hysterical and nutty at the start as they are at the end and we never develop any empathy or understanding for them. 127 minutes is far too long to expect us to put up with such ridiculous histrionics. I can see how the film may have actually benefited from the wholesale cuts in the American version.

Another big problem is that it's not well photographed and its visuals are extremely bland. There's no effective lighting or contrast, and for all of Zulawski's odd angles and restless camera-work, its aesthetic remains exceptionally plain and off-putting. There's simply no atmosphere of any sort. It looks like an average TV movie.

It's kind of frustrating, because there are some good ideas floating beneath the surface. The doppelganger concept is interesting and the monster copulation and subway miscarriage are appropriately icky and surreal.

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That's the sort of review that could only happen in the era of Fox News, when everyone suddenly feels entitled to their own reality, whether it has any connection to actual reality or not.

On this other Foxworld, in this strange other version of POSSESSION, Isabelle Adjani's work "is simply awful" and "one of the most annoyingly grating performances of all time"; in the real world, the performance earned her best actress honors from both the Cannes film festival and the Caesar Awards (the French Academy Awards). On Foxworld, this version of POSSESSION "looks like an average TV movie," which means television in Foxworld is a hell of a lot better than in the real one; in the real one, the film put director Zulawski in competition for the Palm D'Or at Cannes, the festival's highest honor. I feel sorry for the people in Foxworld; by being there, they've managed to miss a great movie.

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my thoughts exactly...

someone throwing themselves around and screaming..

If you thought that was good acting, then my 5 year old could win an oscar..

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So what you're saying is FoxNews controls the thoughts an minds of all modern culture and is attempting to subvert the analysis of a 30 year old French film?

And that you've somehow personally ascended beyond that and therefore are intellectually superior to anyone who disagrees with you or doesn't share your same ideologies.

Furthermore, once a film is given an award such as the D'Or it is unimpeachable from than point forward.

You're an idiot, my friend.

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You're an idiot, my friend.

And...

So what you're saying is FoxNews controls the thoughts an minds of all modern culture and is attempting to subvert the analysis of a 30 year old French film?

Most amusing.

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Yes, idiots do find most things amusing.

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Argument by appeal to authority. Dismissed.



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"This film is a curious little oddity, but most certainly not a masterpiece by any stretch of imagination. For one thing, the acting is simply awful. Adjani gives one of the most annoyingly grating performances of all time. She either screams or throws herself about like a lunatic in every scene she's in, showing all the range of a baboon in heat. Sam Neil isn't much better, veering as he does between bewilderment and insanity and back again with absolutely nothing in between.

It doesn't work as a horror due to the utter absence of suspense, but neither does it work as an effective marital break-up drama, lacking the gravitas and subtlety needed for such an undertaking. The dialogue is embarrassingly inane and provides no insight whatsoever. Furthermore, there's no arc or pacing of any sort. The characters are as hysterical and nutty at the start as they are at the end and we never develop any empathy or understanding for them. 127 minutes is far too long to expect us to put up with such ridiculous histrionics. I can see how the film may have actually benefited from the wholesale cuts in the American version.

Another big problem is that it's not well photographed and its visuals are extremely bland. There's no effective lighting or contrast, and for all of Zulawski's odd angles and restless camera-work, its aesthetic remains exceptionally plain and off-putting. There's simply no atmosphere of any sort. It looks like an average TV movie.

It's kind of frustrating, because there are some good ideas floating beneath the surface. The doppelganger concept is interesting and the monster copulation and subway miscarriage are appropriately icky and surreal."

My vote for dumbest *beep* I've ever read on IMDB.

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It’s actually a pretty reasonable take on the film (which I liked).

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yes its a masterpiece

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I thought so too.

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I deeply love this film. After reading this topic I thought that this film is very carnal. But every person in this film shows that he don't know what it means. They even seem like saints.

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Very pleased this survives.

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