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SCA: The real-life inspiration for 'Knightriders'


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The Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA) is a group of medieval reenactors that was founded in the late 60's. To date, it's got chapters all over the world, and about 45,000 "official" members. (If you include the "unofficial" members---people who participate regularly, but are neglectful in keeping their dues up-to-date---the real figure's more like a million.)

When the group had been around about 15 years, it is reported that Mr. Romero attended an SCA event and was intrigued. He wanted to base a movie off of the lifestyle, the philosophy, and the amusing culture-clashes that SCAdians encounter, and sought the group's official cooperation in making it.

But the SCA board of directors was too afraid of being misrepresented. (The early 80's was when there was a lot of bad press concerning "Dungeons and Dragons." People who wore funny medieval costumes, and swung swords, might be connected to everything from devil worship, to drugs, to suicide-cults.) So they politely declined.

Romero shrugged, tweaked a few details---the 'cycles, the unsafe-as-hell weapons and inadequate armor---and made the movie anyway.

If you REALLY liked this movie you might want to check out "Knight Fall" (formerly "Murder at the War") a book by Monica Ferris. It's a murder-mystery, situated at one the SCA's biggest annual gathering.

The murder is fictional. The event is real.

More info at: http://monica-ferris.com/Knight.htm

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Too bad the publishers changed the title on that book; I thought Murder at the War had a nice bit of irony, whereas Knightfall is kind of trite. I reread my copy occasionally, and it makes me want to head for Pennsic in August. (To get info on the annual Pennsic War, check out www.pennsicwar.org (the official site) or www.pennsic.net (unofficial but more fun)).

In the commentary track on my Anchor Bay DVD of Knightriders, Romero does mention the SCA. He also took inspiration from the various Renaissance Fairs, and originally wanted to have the troup jousting on horses. But for budgetary reasons the money guys wouldn't go for that, and when Romero half-jokingly suggested motorcycles, they loved the idea. (At least, that's the way Romero tells it.)

Note that in the SCA, we don't joust on motorcycles, but we have just authorized an experimental form of jousting on horses. Of course, most of us don't own horses, so we do our fighting on foot, with weapons made of rattan (about the same weight as the real thing). We wear quite a bit more protection than the characters in Knightriders did, even though the activities in the movies were far more dangerous than the way we fight.

One of my favorite movies, a guilty pleasure I watch at least once a year; should probably be required viewing for SCA people just to keep us from taking ourselves too seriously. One thing that always struck me, though, is that the knights in the movie have pretty drab armor; could have been a lot better looking for not much money.

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Just wanted to say that, since that last post, I've been out of the action (in terms of SCA fighting) because I ruptured my quadriceps tendon -- ironically enough, on a trip to Britain to see some real castles. I'm recovering from surgery, and can't wait to get back in chainmail. The first time you put on armour and defend yourself against some big ape trying to pound on you with a big stick, you're either hooked for life or think it's crazy (or both). (Note: in the SCA we use weapons made of rattan. Much safer than what they were doing in "Knightriders", although it could still be lethal if we didn't wear armour.)

If it sounds interesting, check out www.sca.org. There's probably a group near you, and visitors are always welcome.

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Since this has become an SCA discussion instead of a discussion on the movie, just a little shout out to the readers that the SCA is not all great and wonderful and has its fill of people with serious issues and those people who hang around them, or as my SCA friends call "fringies." Do your own investigation beyond just the SCA sponsored websites.

As for the movie, when I saw it when I was young I loved it despite being long and in places boring but now while I can still watch it, it doesn't hold up well and that is despite being a GR fan. There was talks over the years of a remake but with the financial issues the original had, I really doubt it will ever be remade.

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Cryptking, I've gotta admit you're right. The folks I've met in the SCA over the last quarter century have ranged from perfectly normal (except for an interest in the Middle Ages) to genuinely mentally ill; and from some of the nicest people I've ever met to absolute a-holes who make everybody around them miserable. Any large group has its share of difficult people.

My leg is healed now, and I'm going to Pennsic in August!

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Crap crap crap CRAP!!!!!! I have some early classes this year and can't make it to Pennsic. Which especially sucks since I'm just getting actrive again after an absense while I was in the military. It's been a good 8 yeras if not more since I've been to Cooper's Lake.

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Well, next year they're bumping it a year earlier so you may be in luck.

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I think you mean a WEEK earlier - not a year earlier.. ;)

I recently obtained a copy of this movie - after hearing so many things about it...still have yet to watch it...but it on my list of things to do...and I am looking forward to it...as I'm sure that in my next letter to GR that he'd be amused by my comments....

What did everyone else think of the movie...?

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No, a year earlier, so effectively they're having it twice at the same time this year, and not at all next year. It's an interesting feat of quantum mechanics, which you wouldn't think would be medieval at all but if you read some of the more obscure 11th century Pushtestani texts on alchemy, it's entirely appropriate.

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Yo! You just made my head hurt reading that :P

Little1

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That's funny. But I believe what's happened is that Pennsic is being moved a *month* earlier. Or maybe not even that: the official website, www.pennsicwar.org, says that Pennsic 36 will be July 27 - August 12, 2007.

"The truth 24 times a second."

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Any large group has its share of difficult people.


You hit the nail on the head. Any group of people put together for any purpose will have personal problems, from the Baptist Ladies Sewing Circle to the US Congress. Some groups are worse than others. If you check out the SCA and find that your particular local group is rife with problems, you can always find another group a little farther away, or join a household.

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Romero was inspired when he visited Pennsic in the late seventies. The movie itself is shot around the grounds of Pennsic and fell victim to the same tornado that hit pennsic. The first day of filming was cancelled because the entire set was ravaged by a twister.

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