Did Cole bang his buddy's wife?
About halfway through the movie, before his buddy dies? I ask this because I was about 12 when I saw this last time, and can't recall for sure.
shareheck yes he did. but they don´t show nothing.
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"Did Cole bang his buddy's wife? About halfway through the movie, before his buddy dies? I ask this because I was about 12 when I saw this last time, and can't recall for sure."
Yes, he does. I think that's a bad decision for someone who is supposed to be a hero. How can someone support a character who sleeps with the wife of the best friend he is supposed to help? How can someone support the wife after that? A really dumb script decision!
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I agree. What a betrayal! Stabbing a friend in the back like that! I think it creates some emotional issues and doesn't resolve
them and . . . for what!? It's not even a sex scene.
Bad writer. Bad bad writer.
"I agree. What a betrayal! Stabbing a friend in the back like that! I think it creates some emotional issues and doesn't resolve
them and . . . for what!? It's not even a sex scene.
Bad writer. Bad bad writer. "
Yeah, it's probably why the movie tanked when it originally came out.
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I realized the reason. He had to have incentive to kill everyone at the end. Stupid. The writer thought the audience wouldn't think it would be realistic for him to be inspired enough to kill everyone unless he had banged her. What a load of crap.
But if you remember, he confesses to Cole that he hadn't had sex with his wife in a long time. Certainly caused by impotency from worrying about the mob. He seemed to me to be asking him to do it. And then she shows up in that lovely sleeping gown. Apparently, he had a talk with her as well.
shareOh, that's supposed erase any guilt about it. But why would Frank ask his friend and his wife to get it on? So he would feel less guilty about being a softy? That sounds way too lame, even for this B movie.
Look, back in the early 80's bagning a buddies wife was like a way of saying that she is a beautiful woman. Plus, she needs satisfaction. if she cant get it from her husband guys liek cole are around and will take care of the business.
shareIsn't it quite important to bear in mind that this film was never seriously serious?
It's a whimsical bit of action fantasy, in the mold of early Bond books/movies - therefore the Hero is entitled to get his way with whatever woman he likes, and trifling matters like marriages and close friendships are put on hold with no cause for later introspection and analysis because, hey, our hero's a damned good guy and any woman would be insane to turn down his advances.
It's typical misogynistic fantasy stuff, from our more enlightened perspective, but it was standard fodder for all these kinds of films for a long time. I think the reason the film bombed is probably more to do with how ridiculous it's premise is.
He's a ninja, I.E. professional assassin. He killed like 12 ninjas on his way to become a ninja.
I don't think sleeping with a friend's wife is so farfetched when you've been trained to murder...
He didn't stab his buddy in the back; he stabbed Susan George in the front, and it was all her idea, which takes him off the hook.
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"It's typical misogynistic fantasy stuff"
You mean MISANDRISTIC? The wife gets what he wants, but the MAN is shown to be an impotent. How the hell is that misogynist? It's a feminist-misandrist stuff - women's needs always go before even good friendships, and all that.
How the hell can ANYONE turn this into misogyny? Boy, you truly don't know what misogyny is if you think SERVING A WOMAN by BETRAYING A MAN is misogyny..
Yes, he did. And the reason you can support a character who does that is because:
A) - His friend was a lazy drunk who can't get it up for his hot wife,
B) - The wife "wants it all the time" and doesn't get any satisfaction from the husband.
C) - The wife wants kids and the husband can't give her any.
D) - Cole doesn't pursue the wife - she comes to him.
E) - They both apparently fell bad about it the morning after.
F) - Cole still does his best to save his friend's farm, life, and wife.
G) - The friend had to die in order to give Cole something to avenge.
H) - There had to be a deeper connection with the wife in order to give Cole more incentive to rescue her.
One final thought - I wish this movie had been made n the past couple of years. Then we would have gotten a nice sex scene showing the wife's T&A!
Wow, two posts with the same bullet points. It doesn't matter how it was rationalized. She was married and her marriage vows said for better or worse. Her husband wasn't doing well. Her sleeping with her husband's best friend was just narcissistic. There is no good excuse for marital infidelity.
None at all.
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"you killed dozens of people? My hero!"
"you engaged in consensual sex with a married woman? Booo, hiss, booo."
Gotta love priorities.
There is a difference and not as ironic as you think. Engagement in war can involve killing many and still be honorable. But, sleeping with some one else's wife, and especially the best friend you came to help, is a despicable act. There is really no way around it because thousands of years of literature support this conviction. Infidelity is a big thumbs down in heroic tradition.
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Yes, he did. And the reason you can support a character who does that is because:
A) - His friend was a lazy drunk who can't get it up for his hot wife,
B) - The wife "wants it all the time" and doesn't get any satisfaction from the husband.
C) - The wife wants kids and the husband can't give her any.
D) - Cole doesn't pursue the wife - she comes to him.
E) - They both apparently fell bad about it the morning after.
F) - Cole still does his best to save his friend's farm, life, and wife.
G) - The friend had to die in order to give Cole something to avenge.
H) - There had to be a deeper connection with the wife in order to give Cole more incentive to rescue her.
One final thought - I wish this movie had been made n the past couple of years. Then we would have gotten a nice sex scene showing the wife's T&A!
Well, they were Army buddies from the war so it's possibly okay from a certain point of view. Cole owed Frank a life debt from the war when Frank carried his wounded body off the battlefield. Since Frank couldn't get it up anymore for his wife(which he felt extremely guilty about) he trusts Cole to fill in for him. It's the least Cole could do for him and he's honored to do it. Yes, Frank is a little bitter about it when he makes the mustache comment, but he loves his wife and wants her to be happy. I mean if you were Frank which would you rather have? Your wife do the nasty with Cole or Pee Wee or Dollars? I suppose a more tactful way to have scripted that scene would have been a threesome between Cole, Frank and Marianne. I suppose there is the possiblity that Cole and Marianne only laid in bed and talked about Frank all night and never engaged in any actual sexual contact.
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shareNo, ninja not bang buddy's wife ~ ninja just get stabby.
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LOL Great comments. Right from the start, it was obvious Marianne and Cole were a better fit. That so called sex scene, what the hell? Did anyone notice that it seemed like Marianne was never wearing a bra?
shareShe's Susan George!!! She's stubborn she can do what she wants. LOL
Okay that scene's always bugged me too but I can understand why it's in the film. The point of the scene was that Frank trusted Cole with all his issues and one of the reasons he sent for him in the first place. Not only to deal with Venarius and company, but also to give him some life back. He always talks about the good old days with him in almost every scene and in the scene at the bar after Cole takes out all of Venarius' flunkies in Fort Santiago, Frank mentions that Mary Ann wanted to have children and Frank clearly tells Cole that he can't give her what she wants. You could easily see the expression on Cole's face when he mentions this to him as he already knew that Frank wanted Cole to take his place in some capacity. A foreshadowing of his demise at the hands of Hasegawa later on in the film. Clearly Frank knew what was going to happen. Was it written very well, definitely not, but the more you see the scene before it happens mainly in the dialog, you'll understand a little more.
Maybe I missed it but there is a scene when Cole is having it off with his buddy's wife ? I noticed indeed there is a picture on Imdb with Cole and Susan together in a bed so it must be true then. I saw the TCM version which runs about 95 min. They cut that out or what ?
By the way : Susan George didn't mind taking of her kit in other movies, most notably in "Mandingo".