He's a serial fucker, happy to be so.
Why does he fall so crazy in love for this married woman?
I didn't see her do anything special, and her looks and personality are average.
So....other than "because it's in the script" why would he kill for her?
My first thought is --
You don't like movies, do you?
Who would be your special temptress where you would go out of your way to be with her?
Does it have to be, idk, Meg Ryan? Bullock? Beckinsale? Blake Lively?
Don't you understand it's a movie with a good looking chick as the temptress?
She has to be the perfect 10 for you to get it?
You don't understand movies, do you?
The temptress has to provide something special, other than "it's in the script she tempts him".
Considering how explicit the sex scenes are, she certainly seems pretty average.
It's established he can get a different girl in bed every night.
But nothing is shown to explain his radical change from swinging ladies man to her homicidal tool.
Do I have to spell out how humans behave for you to get it?
Yes, you do.
Now I will quit watching movies and thinking about them.
Good on you !
why would he kill for her?
OK so he's a criminal after money.
Yet, he never asks for a dime after she gets the inheritance.
He's crazy for her. He kills for her. I'm pointing out that the movie forgets to tell us WHY.
Maybe you'll fall in love, too. Then you'll know.
shareYet, he never asks for a dime after she gets the inheritance.
What was so special about William Hurt that he could be a “serial fucker?”
Why do you find that believable but not someone who looked like Kathleen Turner could have someone infatuated with her?
People are complex and some of them are very good at manipulating. Some of the best manipulators are a lot less attractive than either star of that movie.
1. Being a serial fucker is not that difficult, and he has the looks and money for it.
2. Somebody that looks like her can certainly have many men infatuated with her. NOT this guy, NOT that easily, NOT without a clear explaination of why this guy, the serial fucker from above, decided this one, not that special, is not only worthy of falling for her, but of killing for her.
3. Worse of all, the MOVIE does not show us any glimpse of such specialty in her, she's mostly average on all accounts, she's often nasty, never stands out on anything that makes us go "that's why he would do anything for her".
4. I agree that manipulators could be even less alluring than her, but they always have something special. Usually they manage to target somebody very weak on some account (like somebody starving for some sex- that's what it seems like in this movie, but that's what makes it so weak: this guy has no problem getting it elsewhere, and probably better).
You don’t seem to know people very well. There are players who are homeless ex-cons with bad teeth. Both of these characters are manipulators who get into people’s heads and make them crave. He was great at it but she was better. He was used to being sought after by whomever he wanted to be but it couldn’t work with her. Maybe that was it. Also, reread the title of the movie lol.
You speak about we and us as if you assume the whole world shares your views. We don’t. You don’t find Turner attractive. Millions of people did and that is why she starred in many roles that showcased her allure and became huge hits.
Watch Double Indemnity, the film that inspired Body Heat. Barbara Stanwyck was hardly the most beautiful woman in the world either but she had SOMETHING.
“ Body Heat is a 1981 American neo-noir erotic thriller film written and directed by Lawrence Kasdan in his directorial debut. ... The film was inspired by Double Indemnity (1944). The film launched Turner's career—Empire magazine cited the film in 1995 when it named her one of the "100 Sexiest Stars in Film History".
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Why? Because it’s Kathleen Turner in her prime. I would’ve killed my mother for a piece of that ass.
shareFunny comment, but not valid.
YOU would have killed, THIS GUY shouldn't have: he's getting action everywhere, she doesn't seem to be special nor to be doing anything special.
That's what the movie should have addressed: why she becomes so special for HIM.
Show us a picture of your ideal woman. She’s probably straight out of the ickiest porno.
shareI at first read the first sentence in the OP as "He's a serial killer" and went "What?" I mean, I know he did kill that guy but it was never established in the movie that he did it before. But then you said the 4 letter f word?
shareIt's a movie. It has a script. That you find this cumbersome, I don't understand.
Who is worth killing over if not KT when this movie was made? The rational answer should be "no one," but since it's a movie about exactly this, what the heck is wrong with it starring Kathleen Turner in her prime?
Who would be so exceptional that it would actually justify killing her husband over? Barbara Stanwyck in Double Indemnity? I doubt you find her intoxicating. But millions of movie lovers have, and I imagine most people who have seen either of these femme fatale films enjoy them greatly. But those darn scripts get in the way, huh?
Personally, I thought Barbara Stanwyck was pretty hot.
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Not only that but she's got a speaking voice that is entrancing. Sure some women are foxy looking but if they sound like trailer trash, I wouldn't give any serious attention to them.
shareOk, the voice is the only distinctive feature of her, I agree she has a very unique sexy voice. Worth killing for?
To answer your intelligent question, I agree: no one is worth killing for.
But for THIS CHARACTER (lazy, sleazy but also honest and earnest) I would think some victim in dire need for help, or a woman with no other choice but to kill her husband. Or maybe the husband is a real threat to both of them. Or they want to get rid of him also because he's a total scumbag. Or at least, they BOTH want his money.
You cannot have a ladies man like this one fall in love that easily.
And not for just another good looking woman, who's not really doing anything he's not getting elsewhere.
And if she IS doing that special thing, I would like to be shown or explained what it is, because just KT's presence is not cutting it. Nor for me, and certainly not for WH character. To top it off, it looks like they could go on screwing behind the husband's back for years, or just run away. So I'm not shown any reason for him to kill.
That's the problem here: I like movies to SHOW ME, not shove their script down my throat and I should accept anything: why is he willing to kill her husband now?
Answer: because.
Do you just accept a script (because movies are shot after a script so, gotta have one) even if it's poorly coinceived and exposed?
What's so special about her? She's beautiful, she's sophisticated and glamorous, she's sexy, she's Kathleen Turner, and she can provide him with the sort of wealth and status that he wants. And she does it at a point in his life when he's finally twigged that he's not going to make his own dreams come true, not without a lot of help.
Plus, I assume she figures out what he wants in a woman and pretends to be it, then threatens to stop being his dream lover if he doesn't do what she wants... because that's Sexual Manipulation 101. I just don't remember how much of that we saw in the finished script.
All correct, NONE of it implied in the movie.
Otter, I agree with all your points if only the script actually had them in it. Especially him wanting to have a turn in his life.
But I didn't see much of them. Indeed, it does EVERYTHING to imply the opposite, that's what bothers me (but nobody else. It looks like most viewers just accept it because otherwise the movie doesn't happen).
1.He's up to his neck in pussy, I don't think a man like that would "fall in luuuve" with a random married woman just like that. She's good looking, but so are the other women he's porking. What does she do that the others don't? I say nothing, but if the movie thinks differently, I wish they SHOWED what's special about her instead of just TELLING US.
2.Wealth: I could buy that angle, they are both greedy and they want to split the husband's bucks. Only, they aren't: the movie makes clear that SHE is greedy, while he doesn't even want a dime of that money.
3.Status: he's a samewhat successful lawyer, he's not really a bum, and she's just the wife (or widow) of a shady businessman, I don't see him making much of an improvement as her dildo/sidekick.
4.Manipulation: even that, doesn't happen. I wish she lead him to the homicide on false pretenses, or tricked him in a trap, or threatened to stop screwing him for whatever reason.
Nothing like that happens: they could very well go on fucking behind the husband's back for years. He poses no threat at any moment, he's mostly absent, they even have dinner together. He says something like "I'd kill anybody that steals her from me" but he's not really intimidating.
Instead, the movie just has William Hurt blurt out of the blue "You want me to kill your husband, I know it and you know it. Ok, let's do it". Who in his right mind would say such things with NO REAL REASON AND SO LITTLE TO GAIN FROM IT?
In addition to all of that, what few if any seem to ask is - if she finds it acceptable for someone to kill someone because of how wonderful she is, does that make her at least a little flawed and not so wonderful overall?
And isn't murder like THE worst bad deed or so a person can commit, or one of the top 3 of them ANYWAY, and thus not of course worth doing?
Ned is not a successful lawyer by any standard. The movies shows and states this many times. He a small crummy office. He wears shit clothes. His apartment is a college apartment. He can only afford to eat at a nice restaurant once a month if he doesn't order dessert.
sharei thought the character of Ned was an absolute idiot.
this is confirmed later when it's revealed he is shoddy at his work as well.
making the decision to kill someone because your f*** buddy wants you to is maybe realistic given his lack of moral compass.
I agree 100%, he is an absolute idiot.
But I was looking for a reason for his actions other than that, I think the writers had in mind "she is the absolute fuck". But that fell flat with the casting, acting, directing and the way her character is actually written.
So in the end, in boils down to him killing a person because his fuck buddy wants him to.
Realistic yes, but only with an absolute idiot like him.
i think another reason could be he also wanted the ton of money that came with Edmund's will.
remember he saw the house and was like "whooooa mama"
so perhaps Ned figured he met his one true love(!) and also wouldn't have to work for the rest of his life.
he walked into the office depressed as hell EVERY time he was shown. loll
She had no tits? Yeah, not sacrificing more than $20 for that.
But, yes, it is the standard:
1.) Movie Logic
2.) The movie needed it.
3.) Kasdan following the standard Film Noir playbook, where a man loses all intelligence and falls for a skirt.
I wish your 3.) was in the movie, that he lost all intelligence. Instead, they seem to think his reaction is understandable if you are a hot blooded man. I think it was written and directed by a virgin with 0 knowledge of real manhood.
shareIt's just chemistry. She got under his skin and he had to have her.
And it's not representative of all men ...just this man.
Although all men... and all women are susceptible to wanting someone that defies all logic (from the viewpoint of outsiders). To varying degrees it happens all the time.
I agree, it happens all the time, but not like this.
He HAD her. He kept HAVING her, and he could have her AS MUCH AS HE WANTED in the future. Her husband was not an obstacle to that.
That's the big problem with this script, HE had no necessity of killing her husband.
If I remember correctly Ned expressed the desire for her to leave her husband after which Maddie let him know that her husband wasn't a good guy and she wanted to leave him....but there was that pesky prenuptial which gave her nothing if she did.
And so it grew from there.
Aside from the moral question is the stupidity of anyone trying to pull off the murder of anyone for money and imagining they can pull it off scot free... It just doesn't happen.
Unless you're a woman whose life goal is to find the right sucker to carry the burden .
Maybe you're like me and NEVER found Kathleen Turner to be "all that"? I remember her being quite the star in the early 80s but to be honest the only movie I truly enjoyed her in was "The Man with Two Brains" and her character's transformation in that movie was fucking hilarious in the end.
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