Douglas Barr was a gem in this series and I wish that he would act again. It is a shame that he has not appeared in an interview either in the Lee Majors A & E Biography, the 2002 "Where Are They Now" Entertainment Tonight segments that covered "The Fall Guy" , Lee Majors and Heather Thomas or on the DVD documentary. I am not certain if he feels resentment towards the series or if he were typecast due to it or what his viewpoint is, but it would be great to see and hear him again.
One of my favorite moments on "The Fall Guy" in terms of Doug Barr's performance was in the 5th Season premier episode "Dead Ringer" where he had to perform an Elvis classic "Burning Love" on stage at an Elvis impersonator convention in Vegas in a crazy 50's style wig. The crowd turns on him and yell "you stink", but I thought that he was great and very funny...he played the bit PERFECTLY as the guy who THINKS that he is good. I wonder if this episode will even be released at all on DVD since it is loaded with Elvis tunes and song replacement/removal is rampant in the season one DVD. I hope that someone at Fox bites the bullet and pays Graceland a royalty so that everyone can enjoy this great episode. I have it uncut on mint fujicolor LPP 16mm film, but I wish that others could watch it too.
Man, Howard Munson was a good character with big dreams and goals. Doug's upbeat, likeable and enthusiastic approach to the role was great fun to watch!
There are so many wonderful "Howie" moments to be enjoyed on "The Fall Guy"...too many to mention here. One of the best episodes was season three's "Trauma" where Barr got to use his dramatic skills as an actor. I also enjoy "A Hundred Miles a Gallon" from the second year where Howie becomes Sheriff of his old South Carolina town where he grew up. Eric Stolz, Andrew Prine and Michael Constantine("My Big Fat Greek Wedding", "Room 222") rounded out the nice cast in that one. A rather interesting and at times touching episode that centered on Howie was season four's "Private Eyes" where Munson's dad Bronc comes to town after years of being on the road in the rodeo circuit. Poor Howie cooks his dad a great prime rib dinner only to be disspointed by his pop again when he does not show up. The scene where he confronts his dad is very well acted.
It is also noteworthy how Jody Banks(Heather Thomas, 'natch) reveals her affection for Howie in several episodes, despite her usual constant ribbing of him. Check out her outrage in the second season episode "P.S. I Love You" when some clowns throw Munson into the hotel swimming pool in Palm Springs. Jody screams "HEY! YOU CAN'T DO THAT TO HOWIE!!!" The line may read as banal and lame here on this message board, but Thomas' exclaimation is priceless as she defends her friend. Jody and Howie had a deep respect for each other which was shown occasionally in the series...I like that! Check out how genuinely concerned Jody is as poor Howie finds pieces of his brand new GMC truck that Colt keeps smashing up with Tony Curtis in year two's "8 Ball." There did seem to be a sexual attraction between the characters as well, despite the insults. In the first season episode "The Adventures of Ozzie and Harold" Howie is "drooling all over himself" at the sight of Jody in the classic blue bikinni just as she peeks at a naked Munson in "Baker's Dozen" from the third year when they are at a nude beach at the dude ranch. There are more examples, but I don't have the time to list them right now.
This underrated show and it's main characters had CHEMISTRY. I love this series for what it is...FUN that does not take itself too seriously. This is a man's show that will never go out of style or bore me over the years no matter how many times I view the episodes.
By the way FYI, in the original pilot script, Howie was named HOPPY(as in a horse), so Colt and Hoppy were both named after horses.
Watching this guy is like watching the brother that I never had. I've seen most of these episodes on uncut 16mm film so many times and every time is as exciting as the first time. I don't have too much time in my busy life to waste hours rewatching stuff, but when I do find a moment to relax in the safety of my own home(when my woman is not around...she is not wild about "The Fall Guy", but she does not dislike it either...she is jealous of Heather Thomas' looks which is nuts since my lady is just as fine) and I thread a print of this show and watch with a cold beer in hand, it's like being with family. Although I am 36 years old, when I watch this classic series I feel young again and ready to take on the world and all of the hassles that life pitches to me and all of us!
ALL of these episodes were good in my view and I am proud to own 96 of the 110 episodes(I count the episodes that originally aired as a 2 hour episode as 1 episode...I count my airdate) uncut and unchanged on glorious LPP low fade fujicolor 16mm film projected larger than life and piped through 6 HUGE Klipsch and JBL speakers via an equalizer. It has not been easy collecting these film prints since 1995 through ads in The Big Reel national film collector magazine, eBay and internet sites, but it has been challenging and rewarding. I've obtained prints from nice fellow film collectors in Germany, Belgium, England, Canada and last but not least an incredibly kind film seller in Madisonville, TN, USA as well as other people all over the globe and the USA who offered prints on eBay.
I intend to locate the rest of the 110 episodes so that I can complete my collection. I am stuck at 96 episodes and I want them all! I have ALL of season 2,3 and 4 and I need 2 episodes to close out season one. I have the first 7 episodes of season 5 as well as other episodes from that final season including the last episode "The Bigger They Are", but I need several from that elusive 5th season.
I hope you don't mind, but when I saw this post, I just had to reply.
Yes, Doug was just such a sweetheart in this role. The chemistry he had with Lee and Heather was just superb. And yes, like you, I'm really disappointed and surprised that he's been left out of both the DVD artwork and the "making of" documentary.
In all the interviews I've read, Doug has only ever had glowing things to say about his time on the series. I guess the reason he didn't take part in the documentary was simply he was busy directing. I know from looking at his listing here on the IMDB, he's made a real name for himself as a director.
Back to TFG, though, and however klutzy Howie was, especially in the first season, you just knew he had a heart of gold and would follow his hero Colt wherever he went.
What I loved most about his portrayal (aside from the cuteness factor, he has such a lovely smile !) was how gradually and naturally you see Howie change through the five seasons, from the obnoxious kid you see in the pilot to the steady, reliable partner and friend who Colt, and Jody, know they can completely trust.
As you say, he could do comedy and drama with the same rare, believable ease. Whether getting tossed out of a wrestling ring in Ladies On the Ropes (love the way he milks the sympathy afterwards, with Jody fussing around him) or lying at death's door in Trauma, Doug just nailed every scene he was in.
And yes, that scene in Private Eyes, where he's left so angry and frustrated by his dad's forgetting their dinner, is one of the best in the series, really showing how far our favourite college drop out kid has come.
Luckily, one of our satellite channels here in the UK has just started to show TFG from the start, giving me the perfect chance to get this priceless series on record. It's amazing to think that, when it was first shown, I was still at school, hadn't even learned to drive, and didn't even own a VCR ! Thank goodness I do now !
In fact, I'd better close here, since tonight's eppie is about to start, and it's one I'm really looking forward to - Happy Trails from season two. And I need to find a fresh tape !
But I'd really like to chat some more with you about both the series, and this wonderful actor. So bye for now, and hope to be chatting again soon.
That was a beautifully written post, Annie! Are the original songs in the broadcasts that you are watching on USFive? You are in England, correct? It's nice to meet a female fan of this series! You'd love my film prints and I just located one more that I needed from season one from a film collector/seller in Canada, so now I only need 13 more episodes and I'll own all 110 uncut and unaltered on LPP low fade film reels!
Hello again, filmsReel, and thanks for the reply :o)
Yes, I'm in the UK, so happy greetings from across the pond. I hope you're well.
I must admit that I'm envious of your film prints, especially if they're uncut. Unfortunately, the re-runs on Five US are getting cut to shreds. And to answer your question - no, none of the original songs seem to feature, which is a real shame.
I've just been comparing the DVD version of Charlie against the one I taped, and that lovely scene at the start, where Howie goes to feed the horses ? Yep, it's missing from the TV eppie, which is really annoying. I shudder to think how much of Trauma they'll cut when they show it in a few weeks time.
Never mind, these TV episodes, however badly cut, are better than nothing at all - and at least they'll tide me over until the rest of the series comes out on DVD. Just wish that Fox would get a move on !
Tonight's eppie, though, was just a real scream - Eight Ball, which is going to be re-watched quite a bit, I think !
Poor Howie, you just know, as soon as you see him proudly polishing his new truck, that it'll all end in tears. Loved the little smiley faces on the roof-bar too, that was a nice touch !
I've just treated myself to the script for Eight Ball from a certain internet auction site, so it'll be interesting to see how much that varies from the episode screened tonight.
I hope, too, as the series goes on, that some nagging questions from season one will be answered - such as the great favour that Colt mentions in the pilot, the one that Bronc did for his family. Or that scene from the Human Torch, where Howie's using that famous charm of his to talk Mrs Jackson out of torching the refinery.
If you remember, Howie says he knows how hard it is to lose someone. When I saw that episode on these re-runs, I assumed he meant one of his parents, but then in Private Eyes, his father appears, and he also mentions his mother, so that ruins that theory.
Sorry if this sounds slightly obsessed, but unresolved things like this really bug me ! I write fanfiction, you see, and I'm always after a nicely resolved bit of backstory, it makes writing a fanfic to follow on from it so much easier !
I've already got an idea for Trauma, but I'm going to have to wait until the episode is shown again before I start writing it. As I think I've mentioned, this is the first time TFG has been shown since the 80s, and I can remember that Howie gets very badly hurt, but not fully how it happens.
Still, not long to wait until it's shown, if Five US keep going straight through from season two into season three, then Trauma should be on in a couple of weeks time.
Anyway, filmsReel, I think I've chattered on long enough. Thanks again for replying, and if I've not scared you too much by prattling on here, I hope we can chat again soon.
Hey I love your talk about Doug Bar because he was a great actor on this show! I have not seen Trauma since FX aired the show back in 1996. I am not sure Annie but I believe that Howie was injured due to a stunt that went wrong. I am not sure so do not quote me on that though.
When I bought the first season on DVD box set I was looking forward to hearing Doug Bar speak and all they showed was Lee Majors, Heather Thomas, some other guy that came up with the theme song to the TV show, and Glen Larson. It left me feeling like they forgot one of the main characters who helped made the show. How come they could not have set up some special camera where ever Doug Bar was at to speak about his great memories of the show?
I understand he was directing but still he should have been a part of the featurette though. Great information filmsReel and Annie! I also agree with you guys about them not having Doug Bar talking about the great moments of making The Fall Guy. You are lucky Annie that they are still airing The Fall Guy there in England. I wish they would bring back the show here.
Hello, Rob, it's nice to hear from you. I hope you're well.
Oddly enough, I'm starting to remember more about Trauma now, I'm pretty sure that someone shoots at Howie, mistaking him for Colt, who was going to testify at some court case. Mind you, that's about all I can remember !
Never mind, I'll be seeing the whole episode again in a couple of weeks, so I'll be able to freshen the memory up then.
And yes, like you and filmsRreel, I was very disappointed with the season one DVD set not including Doug in either the artwork or the special features. I can only hope that when the second season comes out, whenever that may be, then Doug will at least feature on the artwork.
For now, though, in spite of all the cut scenes, I'll gladly settle for these re-runs on FiveUS. I'm a bit surprised, though, Rob, that the series hasn't been shown more in the US itself - I assume that's where you are ?
We have the FX channel here too, although they've never shown the series - how odd !
Anyway, Rob, I'll close here. Thanks again for this chance to chat, and hope to do it again soon.
Yes I do live in the United States here in the state of Wisconsin. I sure do hope that they will have Doug Bar on the season two cover of The Fall Guy and possibly have him say something about the show in the next set of box DVD set. When FX showed The Fall Guy this was in 1996 and at that time I was living where I grew up which was the state of Illinois.
I was flipping channels when I found it and my sisters boyfriend at the time told me that it was on. So I would watch it. I am surprised that it is not shown more here in the states. I have seen more of A-TEAM and other shows of the 80's than The Fall Guy. Well the old FX use to show a lot of old shows from the 60's, 70's, and 80's at one time but they stopped doing that though.
I really got into the programming that FX had 11 years ago because they were great to watch! They would have host talking about the show and all or the episode that was on. Now all they show is more modern shows from the late 90's and early 21st century shows. That is the thing is when they are going to release something out on DVD all of us original fans of the show get excited about it coming out but then we notice things missing and what they have done to the cover to not make it look very nice at all.
Well when The Fall Guys first season came out here in the United States in DVD box set. I went to Walmart to buy my first season of The Fall Guy. When I went back in July last month I went to buy Buck Rogers In The 25th Century and I did not see any of The Fall Guy first season box set at all. I was like WOW! They must have sold out of it! I was very happy to see that because I felt that the show was a huge hit in the 80's until they pulled the plug on the show and canceled it.
Well I am going to end this now and it was a pleasure to talk to you Annie and meet you as well!
Actually, Lee Majors pulled the plug on "The Fall Guy" according to his manager Denny Bond in the 2002 A & E Lee Majors Biography. According to Bond, it could have continued for a total of 7 seasons under contract. Lee grew tired and wanted to spend time with the family, so he pulled out.
What is Lee Majors crazy? I mean he should have allowed the show to stay on for another few seasons. I would have loved to have watched the show last a couple of more seasons because I think it would have helped other stations to put it into syndication you know or be aired more on TV than what it was. Thanks for the info guy! I appreciate that!
"What is Lee Majors crazy? I mean he should have allowed the show to stay on for another few seasons. I would have loved to have watched the show last a couple of more seasons because I think it would have helped other stations to put it into syndication you know or be aired more on TV than what it was. Thanks for the info guy! I appreciate that!"
Well for one thing, Mr. Major's wife Karen Velez in the middle of 1986 (when the series wrapped season five) was pregnant with twins. Certainly personal happenings were a major factor for Lee when he decided to end the series. Remember that Lee Majors was also an executive producer as well as the star of "The Fall Guy" and he had power to throw around as he saw fit. We DID enjoy 5 wonderful seasons of thrilling entertainment! Besides, the show was headed south after Markie Post left to join the cast of "Night Court." I thought that "Pearl" was amusing, but she and "Edward Trench" did not gel with the regular cast very well.
I do understand as to why Mr. Majors chose to end the season after 5 seasons due to his wife having twins. That is very true that Le was an executive producer because I have read it in the starting credits and ending credits of the show. Yes I totally agree with you that we all got to enjoy 5 wonderful seasons of thrilling action and entertainment! Yes after a key element left the show it sort of made it difficult for it to continue on. Why didn't they offer Markie Post more money to remain on The Fall Guy? I mean if the show was doing so well that is what I would have done as an executive producer you know in Mr. Majors place.
I would have loved to have seen the show end with like other shows where they introduce each character who played on the show and all of the other cast members. Yes Pearl was always amusing in whatever roles that she did even in Dukes Of Hazzard as well. That is the thing as Jack left the show that was a loss of a key element and then Markie Post as well was a loss of a key element to a great show that might have lost its chemistry that it once had.
Markie Post was unhappy with the lack of her character development and her minor screen time, so she left according to her TV Guide interview. Markie grew bored with the part.
The thing is why did she not talk to Mr. Majors about developing more her character? It would have been nice to see her remain on the show but I understand that she had to do what she had to do to make it in her career you know. Even though I did not agree with her decision though.
Bottom line Rob, the writers should have used Markie more or she would not have left in the first place. Post was extremely underused in season four and she looked bored.
Sorry to hear that she was not used enough by the 4th season. It is a shame because she seemed like she did a great job on that show. Well blame it on the writers you know. That is why some of these TV shows falls apart in my belief is that they never use a character enough or give them very small lines to say on a show.
That is why I have to say on any show the first couple of seasons are the best because they do not try to change or alter things that make the show and the true fans lose interests in then. I thought she was hot at that time and very beautiful too!
That's a shame that scenes are cut AND the songs are missing. The Elvis episode and "Spring Break" will lose substantial quality due to those needless alterations.
Howie's mother WAS seen in "Trauma" OR the rare second part of "Trauma" which aired the very next evening on the spinoff series "TRAUMA CENTER" in the episode titled "NOTES ABOUT COURAGE." I GUARANTEE you that the severely trimmed one hour SYNDICATED version of "Trauma' is shown on U.S. Five and on DVD(if Fox gets around to season three at all). I have the film prints AND a RARE video of both parts of "Trauma" recorded the NIGHT THEY AIRED with one of the first home VCR's back in 1983. Howie's mother is featured...Colt phones her to tell her about what has happened to her son.
You know, I wish that Doug Barr and Greg Evigan had acted together back in the day. I'd have enjoyed seeing them play brothers on "The Fall Guy" or in another project altogether.
Yeah, "Eight Ball" is one of the very best episodes. I love how Tony Curtis' "Joltin' Joe O'Hara" keeps asking "WHO'S HOWIE?" everytime Colt mentions him in that one. That episode had heart as Joe is trying to help his crippled wife by staying sober so that he can win the billiard tournament and be a good provider.
Thanks for the compliment about my film library of "Fall Guy!" I'm very proud of my collection. You should see the UNAIRED VERSION of the pilot which contains JANET LEIGH as the bail bondswoman "Soapy" before Jo Ann came along! The title theme song "The Unknown Stuntman" is also NOT sung by Lee and has longer and different lyrics and the print has alternate and deleted scenes!
Hello again, filmsRreel, and apologies, first of all, for mis-spelling your user name. I've just noticed I've been missing out the capital R - sorry about that !
Oh, I think I'm going to have to try and find these unaired versions, they sound brilliant. Time to check out that certain auction site again, perhaps ?! :o)
Would you mind if I ask a really odd favour ? You mentioned that Howie's mother appears in Trauma, since Colt phones her to tell her about Howie's accident.
If it's not too much of a cheek to ask, can you remember her name ? Only I'm working on a fanfic at the moment, based on this episode, and the name of Howie's mother would be a real help.
Like I say, I hope you don't mind the question, but I've checked the cast list for this episode, in the hope of finding out her name there, and she's not even listed. I guess she appears so briefly that the actress/ character details weren't included.
As you say, though, let's just hope that Fox keep up with the DVD releases - it would be such a shame if they release the first season but none of the others !
Until then, it's these albeit cut TV versions, which at least are better than nothing. Tonight's promises to be rather good - The Further Adventures of Ozzie and Harold.
Should be fun - and at least, unlike Joe in Eight Ball, Ozzie actually knows who Howie is !!
I wonder why Colt kept avoiding that question each time Joe asked him. Do you think that maybe he just felt a bit bad about not telling Howie why he was acting so oddly, or why he kept avoiding him ?
Hm, another of those bugging little, unexplained puzzles. I guess that's what happens when you spend as much time in a police station as I do, you have to find answers for everything !
Ah well, back to reality, it's dinner time here, so I'd better get something sorted out before tonight's eppie. Thanks again for the chat, and hope to hear from you again soon.
I am going to thread my film print of "The Further Adventures of Ozzie and Harold" after dinner and be in synch with you! They are airing them possibly in PRODUCTION ORDER. In aired order, "8 Ball" was the 36th aired episode and "The Further Adventures of Ozzie and Harold" was #34("Death Boat" was #35...the one where the car goes over the cliff as Colt jumps onto the legs of the helicopter seen at the very end of the opening credits in seasons 2-5).
If you are willing, please make note of the ORDER that they are showing the episodes and write the titles down. For years I've wanted to know the production order. "Spaced Out" is #37 in airdate order and is a very good one!
I'll get back to you on Howie's mother's name. It slipped my mind! I'll pull the reel or scan the videotape. Give me until the end of the weekend to reply.
Hello again, filmsRreel, I hope you enjoyed your "in synch" showing of Ozzie and Harold ! Unfortunately, my first taping had a really annoying jump going all the way through it, which affected both the picture and the sound, so I had to re-record it onto a thankfully better tape.
All dodgy tapes regardless, it was a great episode. I really enjoyed it.
Oh, and you asked me to list the season two episodes as they've been shown so far ? No problem, the episodes, shown up to tonight, have been:
Bail and Bond The Ives Have It Colt Breaks Out - Part One Colt Breaks Out - Part Two How Do I Kill Thee ? Let Me Count The Ways Win One For The Gipper Happy Trails Manhunter Further Adventures of Ozzie and Harold Death Boat Eight Ball - now known in this household as poor Howie needs a hug :o) Spaced Out
I hope that's helped !
I just wish I knew why Five US are showing the series in such an odd way. They show four episodes a week, then instead of just carrying on with the rest, they repeat those same four episodes straight after !
As you can imagine, it makes keeping an accurate record of what episodes are shown when really tricky. For instance, they're showing Strange Bedfellows this coming Wednesday, then re-showing Death Boat, Eight Ball and Spaced Out on Thursday, Friday and Sunday, with Strange Bedfellows repeated next Monday !
Ah well, as I've said before, I'm just glad to get the series on tape, however weird the scheduling is ! And at least these repeats allowed me to get a better recording of Ozzie and Harold.
Something else I'm looking forward to is Doug Barr's first episode of Murder She Wrote, Curse of the Dannau, which is being shown tomorrow night.
I've never seen it before, and much as I love watching him as Howie, it's always fun to see one of your favourite actors in another role. I just hope he doesn't get murdered right at the start, or it'll be a very brief appearance !
Okay, then, I'd better go - hope to chat with you and Rob some more as the week goes on.
He does in season one's "Ladies on the Ropes", "Charlie" and "Baker's Dozen" from the third year to name a few. Doug was a great swimmer and was in excellent shape.
I'll second all those episodes, filmsRreel, and would very happily agree that Doug was in great shape from all that swimming.
My favourite "shirtless" scene, though, has to be from season one's The Human Torch, where Howie takes his life in his hands and takes a shower in the Bates Motel. That scene, for some strange reason, gets played an awful lot through my DVD player... ;o)
Love Colt's reaction, too, when he almost gets flattened by a thoroughly freaked out cousin. He's right, of course - the boy is, indeed, developing quite a style !
On a slightly different subject, I've just finished watching Doug's eppie of Murder She Wrote. Hmm, not as much of him in it as I'd hoped, but at least he didn't get murdered !
Okay, sorry that this is only a flying visit, but it's coming up for bedtime, and I've got a very early start tomorrow.
You sure know your stuff about this underrated series...I like that! Thanks for informing me of the odd programming schedule. I am now going to check on the name of Howie's mother for you for your fan fiction...
Ok Annie, Howie's mother is played by actress Patricia Crowley and she is introduced in part two of "Trauma" (just after the opening credits...Colt phones her and we get a nice look at her house and the horses on the property) which is an episode of the short-lived "The Fall Guy" spinoff series "Trauma Center" titled "Notes About Courage." The character name of Howard Munson's mother is Adele Munson, wife of Bronc Munson. I hope that this information helps with your fan fiction!
Hello again, filmsRreel, and thanks so much for this info on Howie's mother. Oh, that is such a big help !
Maybe if we're really lucky, and if Fox get round to releasing season three, then this very rare "extra" episode of Trauma Centre will be included as part of the bonus features. Mind you, we're still waiting for season two - and I still can't believe that Howie wasn't even featured on the artwork for season one !
Seriously, thanks again, so much, for the trouble of finding this for me. Once I've seen Trauma itself, and reminded myself of what happens, I'll be able to get these rough ideas settled into a definite story.
Once it's written, though, would you be interested in reading it ?
Okay, then, I'll close for now. I've got an early work start tomorrow, and I really should get to bed.
Thanks again, take care - and hope to be chatting more TFG with you soon !
I'd love to read your script, friend! What a kind offer!
"Maybe if we're really lucky, and if Fox get round to releasing season three, then this very rare "extra" episode of Trauma Centre will be included as part of the bonus features. Mind you, we're still waiting for season two - and I still can't believe that Howie wasn't even featured on the artwork for season one ! "
I would bet fifty U.S. dollars that we will not see the TRUE version of "Trauma" and "Notes About Courage" when and if season three is released on DVD. The syndicated one hour version has a scene filmed ESPECIALLY for the syndicated short version that was not in the two-hour cut with Terri, Jody and Colt talking with an almost fully recovered Howie in his hospital room. The aired ending also took place in Howie's hospital room, but the cast of "Trauma Center" were present and everyone is watching a stunt on the TV in the room.
There were several interesting sub plots in the "Trauma Center" conclusion to this story...a woman who is practicing archery accidentally shoots her husband/boyfriend "Dan" in the heart with an arrow piercing his aorta, a totally oblivious woman drunk driver runs a van full of teens off of the highway, one of the staff of the "Trauma Center" hospital(played by the actor who played the director "Josh" who successfully hits on Jody in season one's "The Snow Job") is used in an experiment to see how fast alcohol impairs a driver's judgement AND the lights in a club come crashing down onto a huge crowd of patrons who are dancing to the live band who is performing on stage...at this same time, Howie fights for his life as he suffers several neurological attacks which may cause him to become paralyzed. It is quite a packed episode and is very thrilling and interesting. Email me at [email protected] if you'd like a gratis copy. I'd love to send both parts UNCUT to you since you seem to be passionate about this little show as I am. I recorded these onto videotape off of ABC TV back in 1983!
Hello again, filmsRreel, and please take a bow - not just for all the fun we've had chatting on this board, but also your help for my fanfic.
If I can persuade a fanfiction site which I've used for my other fanfic stuff to set up a category for TFG, I'm going to try and get this Trauma story posted there - with special mention to you, my friend, for helping me get Howie's mother's name right !
Hm, I'm not usually a gambler, but where the season three DVD is concerned, and the version Fox will probably include, I'd say your fifty dollar bet is pretty safe.
That's one thing which really bugged me about the season one release - all the cuts ! Why on earth, if they're releasing the series to such an appreciative audience, do the studios then short change them ?!? Grrrr !!
On a much happier note - what can I say, other than an amazed thank you, for offering to send me these uncut copies. To say I'm thrilled really is an understatement. Thanks so much, you've made my day ! :o)
Yes, I would love to see these uncut episodes. The various storylines sound great, with Howie's, of course, of really special interest. If it's still okay, I'll email you later to arrange it all with you.
In return, would you like copies of some TV Guide and magazine interviews with Doug ? You may already have them, of course, but the one I especially like comes from an issue of US magazine, shortly after Doug married Clare, and it has the sweetest picture of them both. If you're interested, please just say and I'll get them done.
Oh, and you mentioned that you're still looking for some episodes yourself ? I know they won't be 16mm, but if you can tell me which episodes you need, I'll be more than delighted to tape them for you and send them over.
I know the British format VCR is different to yours in the US, but mine plays both formats, and I'm sure you'll be able to either play the tapes through your VCR or get the tapes converted. What do you think ?
Okay, my friend, I'm going to close this post now. Again my thanks and best wishes, and I'll be in touch again later tonight.
Have a nice day and week, Annie! It's a pleasure to talk shop with you.
Hey, someone mentioned something that never occured to me about the potential season two DVD set of "The Fall Guy." Paul Williams was COMPLETELY REMOVED from the DVD version of the pilot movie. I assume that money is the reason that Mr. Williams is now gone from that first episode. What will happen when it's time for the early second season episode "How Do I Kill Thee, Let Me Count The Ways" to be released since Paul Williams is a guest star in that one and he is in at least 50% of that episode! Will Fox skip this episode or edit it down to nothing? Maybe someone will give in and reach a financial agreement...miracles do happen even where greed is concerned.
Also, if season five is ever released on DVD, the 5th season premier "Elvis" episode surely presents a problem to the powers that be who want to avoid paying a royalty for use of the songs! WOW...and what about the two Roy Rogers episodes? Will Dusty attempt to milk Fox's cash cow? There are many examples of episodes that will be absolutely ruined if certain music is changed!
Here is a pic of one of my film print/reels of "The Fall Guy." Note that I put the TV GUIDE "movie poster" artwork/ad for each appropriate episode right onto the film can or box:
Another good Doug Barr "Howie" episode is a fourth season episode titled "The Winner." My fiance whom has not seen but maybe two episodes of this show("Manhunter" since she is big Elvis fan and she adores Priscilla Presley, some of the pilot movie and "Inside, Outside" and the first half of "Colt's Angels") said to me "this show doesn't have heart." Since I didn't want to bicker, I just let it go and kept silent.
Had my lady seen "The Winner", then she'd change her tune. This episode is not a tearjerker, but it is really warm and delivers a good message. Colt befriends a boy named Jason who has Down's Syndrome who has a dream of winning a race in the Special Olympics in Los Angeles. It is Christmastime and Jason needs a holiday miracle in order to make it to the stadium on time. Lou Ferrigno, Larry Holmes and Bruce Jenner play themselves as volunteers at the games. Anyway, Howie befriends Jason's older brother Sean as they both try to find the runaway kid(by the way, Howie is driving his new, red and black GMC truck that was demolished by Colt in the season two episode "Eight Ball" in this one). Howie cheers Jason on as he races in the Special Olympics in the background in a major way. I don't want to be silly, but Doug Barr shined in this scene when the challenged kid runs. A Cat Stevens song plays during the race and it is shown in slow motion...the song fits the scene beautifully. It was a small, but good "Howie" moment that shows his "good guy" persona subtly.
Colt has a great, kind relationship with Jason in this one. The kid hides in the back of Colt's truck and Seavers discovers him sleeping. Colt brings the child inside his home and lets him open one of his Christmas gifts. At this same time, Colt finally lands a date with a leading actress named Virginia that he's been anxious to go out with. Unfortunately, Colt cannot go to the starlet's house until he finds out where the kid belongs. Virginia keeps phoning Colt and her conversation gets increasingly risque: "Give me some phone, Colt! What are you wearing? I have a black dress with a slit that goes up my thigh and...well let's just say that you won't be dissapointed."
Later, Virginia phones Colt's house after he has left to drop Jason at the police station and Howie answers. The actress says: "It's HOT and STEAMY in here(she sips some wine). The champagne(she moans) is cool as it trickles down my throat. HURRY." The horny lady then hangs up the phone and Howie says "I think I've just received my first obscene phone call!" The scene was very funny! Yeah, this does not translate right on this message board, but those who have seen this one know what I'm talking about. "The Winner" was tender, but also had adult gags...it appealed to all and had some good Doug Barr moments both serious and humorous.
Hello again, my friend, and thanks for the heads up for what sounds to be a very special episode.
To be honest, I can't remember ever seeing this one. I know when the series was first shown here, it was on a channel which had several different regions. So, depending on where you lived, you either saw all five seasons or maybe just one or two. Or maybe I was just on holiday when it was shown.
From your description, though, this sounds like a really good episode for delivering a warm and positive message without becoming too cloying. Downs Syndrome can be a difficult subject to deal with, since there is so much prejudice and ignorance which surrounds it. I'm sure, though, that Lee, Doug and the rest of the TFG team, did a great job.
Reading what you say, too, about Howie showing his good guy side reminds me very much of what I've said earlier in this thread - about how good it was to see his character develop through the series.
Just for fun, and a bit of research, I watched the pilot the other day, and it reminded me of just how much Howie has changed. As much as I adore the character, I'm sure I wasn't the only one who wanted to join Colt in haymaking his obnoxious kid cousin clear out of his trailer. Yes, it made for some nice comedy, but at the same time, the character, at this point, was not very likeable at all.
I wonder if maybe, after this pilot aired and the series was picked up for a full series, whether Lee and Doug had a quiet word with Glen Larson and suggested that this trait in Howie's character was maybe toned down a bit ? Yes, they certainly kept his over zealous nature, wanting to impress people, but I think they let Doug show that in a more subtle way which, let's face it, tended to land the poor kid in all kinds of trouble.
The thing is, though, the audience could like him more that way. If you watch the pilot and then, say, watch The Torch, where he's trying to talk Mrs Jackson out of torching the refinery, it really shows how much he's changed. I'd just still love to know, though, what he meant by that "I know how hard it is to lose someone..." line.
So yes, he can be brash and insensitive at times, but for all that, he's still a genuinely likeable character, and it's that which I think the shows fans loved him for. I mean, the series ran for five seasons, so he and Lee, Heather and Markie must have been doing something right !
Oh, and Howie gets his once seriously trashed truck back ?!? Aw, bless him - does it still have those adorable smiley faces on the roof-rail ?!? I loved those, they were just so - well, Howie-ish !
And his first racy phone call, too ?!? Oh, priceless !! I hope you realise, my friend, my sick little imagination is having a field day !
Yup, Howie got his Red and Black GMC truck back all repaired with the smiley faces intact on the roof roll bar! There were a few episodes where he drove that cool truck. I also liked Jody's white Pontiac firebird that she drove in several episodes. She drove a sky blue Chevy Blazer(early SUV) at first in season two, and then along came that pretty white sportscar with the Fall Guy Stuntman Association decal/logo right on the hood! In "Trauma", Colt drives Jody's Firebird into and out of a burning building and he sadly DESTROYS the poor car in season four's "Rockabye Baby", along with Howie's prized truck AND Terri's auto!
Another very minor but funny moment was in "Silent Partner" from the first season when Howie stole the picture of Tippet & Mathews right out of the frame and off of the wall of the Palamino club...he's looking around WAY too conspicously! I don't know why, but his behavior and body language crack me up in that bit. Turns out that he uncovered a major clue that helped solve that case, so he is starting to prove that he's got brains and is a valuable part of Colt's team.
How about how foolish Munson looked in the first Roy Rogers special episode "Happy Trails" from year two when he shot Trigger? To make matters worse, those slick car thieves take Howie for a sucker and slime him out of thousands of Colt's money...and he thinks that he got a great deal whistling and singing to himself as he drives the stolen Porche to the set("~We're in the money...we're in the money...when Colt hears of this deal so great, he'll cheer and celebrate!~").
It's silly to analyze this action show since as Heather Thomas once said it's "not Shakespeare", but it makes for good chat on a day off of work!
Doug Barr was GREAT in "The Fall Guy" and I wish that he'd do an on camera interview in between his directing jobs.
Oh, and when Howie said "I know what it feels like to lose someone" in "The Human Torch" to Mrs. Jackson, perhaps he was referring to his dad Bronc who was constantly on the rodeo circuit away from home as if he were deceased? Perhaps the character had a brother or a sister that he lost in the past? Good observation, Annie!
Don't forget the rivalry that Howie had with Colt's football running back cousin Jimmy Joe Seavers in "Win One for the Gipper" from season two! I feel sorry for Howie since he feels threatened by Jimmy Joe for Colt's approval. It gets so bad that Munson calls his rival "Jimmy Schmoe" and challenges him to an arm wrestling contest! The old boyhood games never end for those two in that episode and it was funny. Hell, I could go on and on, but who could forget how useful(and funny) Howie was to the team in the early third season show "Pleasure Isle?" The "kid" uses his knowledge of modern art to his advantage and he cracks the password to Robert Vessman's bank account and saves the day! The humourous aspects of that episode naturally were his scenes with that young cute girl Courtney whom he is romancing on the set of the movie he is working on. Some Polynesian babe drops her top while Howie is talking to Courtney on the phone on that island which causes him to freak out like a pre-teen LOL! In that same episode, note Munson's reaction to Jody's sexy dance at the Luau once again showing his attraction to her that he is fighting! Doug Barr was really good at portraying Howie's attempts to think of Jody as a sister at times where she is looking her best("The Ives Have It") through the use of his eyes and with body language! Then, in the epilogue of "Pleasure Isle", Howie reveals his "brilliant" paintings that he made for Courtney that were awful!
I forget which episode it was in, but there was a first season show where someone makes a crack at Howie to the effect of "one day you'll become a stuntman" and he exclaims loudly and confidently "I AM a stuntman!" Also, there was an episode where Doug reads the line "I don't know...this IS California" and he makes a funny hand gesture. Call me crazy, but these little things that Barr did really tickled me. The one Scott Baio guest starred in titled "Femme Fatale" from the 5th year contained good comedy by Doug when that old man confused a disguised Howie for a female and keeps hitting on him! Yeah, it's been done before and is juvenille, but screw it IT'S FUNNY thanks to Barr's performance!
Yeah, I like watching Douglas Barr's acting in this classic series. The time that Munson tried to rollerskate with the Rollerderby chicks in "Hell on Wheels" was fun too!
To sum it all up, I suppose that what I like best about the character of Howard Munson is his positive attitude and "always try harder" spirit. Sure the guy screwed up from time to time, but he always managed to make up for his goofs tenfold! The youthful eagerness of this kid is contagious and is most likeable. It was a crime that there wasn't a photo of Mr. Barr on the cover of "The Fall Guy" season one DVD packaging. Doug added much to the series along with Lee and Heather's appeal. I'm not going to cry about it, but it is extremely unfair that Mr. Barr is basically omitted from the season one DVD cover and disc featurette. If Doug didn't wish to be interviewed, then that's his right, but Glen A. Larson or SOMEONE should have mentioned him favorably. I seem to recall Heather Thomas talking about Doug's contributions to the show recently, but I may be mistaken. I've only seen the DVD featurette once. Well, even if I never see an interview with Douglas Barr where he discusses his memories of working on "The Fall Guy", good or bad, at least I can enjoy his performances over a cold beer. I am pleased to have most of the episodes of "The Fall Guy" captured forever on film. Actors have a very unique aspect to their work that is super special...in addition to the money and fame, television and screen actors have immortality in a sense since they are preserved forever young frozen in time on celluloid for future generations to enjoy. I cannot think of any other profession besides TV and screen acting where one's memory basically can live on forever via the art form of film and digital recordings.
Aw, so Howie's got his beloved truck back, complete with smiley faces - that's great !
Then Colt trashes it, again ?!? And Jody's car ? And Terri's ? Oh dear - not so great. I don't suppose our favourite stuntman was too popular after that ! What's the betting that he ended up walking home ?!? ;o)
Seriously, it's great to talk about the series like this, especially the many priceless scenes which develops Howie into such a likeable character.
Yes, that scene in The Silent Partner cracks me up too - talk about sticking out like a sore thumb ! As you say, though, he's starting to show that he's got a bit of brainpower after all. His face as he tries to explain it all to Colt, too, is a picture.
And all those college courses do come in handy at times as well. I don't know if this was an in-joke to reflect Doug's love of antiques, and the store he helps his sister run back in their hometown, but that scene at the end, where Howie realises how Jill's inheritance has been invested through all those antiques, is great fun to watch. There's poor Colt trying to use them as weapons to fight off the baddies, and Howie keeps grabbing them out of his hands ! Great fun.
I wonder if the same in-joke was used for Pleasure Isle, since Doug paints too. By all accounts, too, he's rather good !
One of my favourite "silent Howie" moments comes from Three For The Road, where Kay has hijacked Colt's beloved truck, and Colt and Howie are chasing her in her car.
Colt threatens to crash it through a wall if Kay damages his pride and joy - cue one silently freaked out cousin, reaching over his shoulder to fasten his seatbelt.
I've watched that scene countless times, and it never fails to make me giggle.
Thanks for the suggestions over that scene in The Human Torch. Maybe as the series goes on, it'll come up again and be explained. Oh, and the observation thing ?!? Well, my friend, that must be the job talking - see what happens when you spend all your time in a police station ?!? :o)
Hm, there's a thought - next time I've got a bail jumper on one of my cases, I'll have to ask if anyone's got a big shiny brown truck, and see what kind of response I get. Hm, a night in the cellls, probably !
Oh dear, I'm blethering on here - see what happens when you try posting on a message board before you've had any breakfast ?!?
Before I go, though, I just have to agree with you - this series is a complete joy to watch, it's brought back so many wonderful memories. Yes, Doug created, and beautifully developed, a character who had his faults. But he made those faults forgiveable, just because he always tried, so hard, to do the right thing.
Let's really hope that Doug is included in some way for the second season DVD release - when it finally comes ! For now, though, I can just enjoy these re-showings on TV, and happily enjoy a true TV classic.
Oh dear, I'm getting all nostalgic and philosophical again - I'm going now, to get some brekkie.
100% agree. all three were great actors and i really missed douglas barr's comment on the dvd release. now since i have seen the show again after about 25 (!) years i am totally amazed how great the fall guy was. the humor during the whole series is just prizeless. i really can't think of any show till today which tops that. most main characters in action movies just look phony compared to colt. howie IS sort of phony but you couldn't portrait a phony character in a better and more funny way than douglas barr does. ah, the memories!