Revok was psychically tearing him apart, with gruesome physical results. And then, what, Cameron gets the mother of all mental second winds, and basically gives up his body to shove himself into Revok's? Is that what allowed him to win? BTW, I always regard that final scene between Revok and Cameron one of the cooler finales I've seen in a horror movie.
shareIt's left open for interpretation did he even win Revok. There is at least three possibilities:
Revok and Cameron merge both physically and mentally into one person.
Revok kills Cameron and fools Kim with Camerons voice.
Things went like you said. Cameron conquers Revoks mind and possesses his body.
IMO first possibility is most likely and fits best in Cronenbergs theme, neither of them wins in the end. Second and third are kind of easy and cheap conclusions.
It's left open for interpretation did he even win Revok. There is at least three possibilities:
Revok and Cameron merge both physically and mentally into one person.
Revok kills Cameron and fools Kim with Camerons voice.
Things went like you said. Cameron conquers Revoks mind and possesses his body.
IMO first possibility is most likely and fits best in Cronenbergs theme, neither of them wins in the end. Second and third are kind of easy and cheap conclusions.
"Revok kills Cameron and fools Kim with Camerons voice."
Out of the question. What point is there to be made by fooling Kim after she wakes up.
I just re-watched this scene on Netflix and it wasn't Cameron's voice at all. It was Ironside's raspy voice. He said, "It's me, Cameron. We won." And then they do a close up of his eyes (see link to pic in my post above).
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Yes, it was Revoks voice, sorry for a fuddle, it has been a while since I saw this movie. However..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20C-t5KwEHg
Here it is. This furthermore increases the theory of them merging in one body. "We've won".. "we're one"..
I thought he was referring to (O'neill) and himself (Cameron). But yeah, we've won? Won what?
Are you saying "we've" as in Revok & Cameron, or the "scanners" in general (O'neill, Cameron, et al)?
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I don't think he was referring the scanners in general, just himself and Revok. Camerons eyes in Revoks body and the way he repeats the line "we've won" makes it sound almost like "we are one".
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That is what I thought
shareThe first couple of times I saw the film, I thought it was obvious that Cameron "beat" Revok and that he had taken over his body...and that the "good" scanners won. However, I just recently watched it again, and I honestly think the ending is meant to be ambigious, where we're not exactly sure what happened. A good argument could be made either way...
And I could *swear* that's Lack's voice at the end, not Ironside's...
The way I always saw it was that Revok was busy tearing Cameron a new one. However Cameron from the start of the fight was trying to push Revok out because he knew he did not stand a chance in a one to one fight. So why Revok spent all of his efforts making an assult Cameron snuck in through the back door so to speak.
Thats how I always saw it.
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It is definitely Cameron's voice and also Cameron's green eyes. Revok had brown eyes.
shareYeah it's been said what I think.
That during the fight when Cameron knew he couldn't win, he decided to instead simply push Revok out of his body "perhaps into his own?"
They are Cameron's eyes and voice at the end, so I think it's safe to say Revok didn't win.
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F.U.
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If Revok would have won he'd simply kill Kim when she entered the room. There was absolutely no reason for him to keep her alive once Cameron was dead. Besides she was a weak scanner compared to Revok so he could have killed her instantly.
My idea is that Cameron indeed won over Revok and took over his body.
But the idea that their minds merged is interesting indeed. For all we know Revok might be alive as a "subconscious" side of Cameron. Cameron may later show a dual personality.
Another interesting question is what happens to those pregnant women carrying powerful scanners from Revok's ephemerol experiments? Surely a few new "Revoks" will be born.
It's the last one. It's all about mind over body. The fact that he's speaking in Cameron's voice should make that clear, if the close up on the eyes does not.
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Yeah, I always figured that either A: Cameron finally had his Crowning Moment of Awesome, and fully realized his potential, or, as was stated before, as Revok was focusing all on offense, he left himself no defense to scans, so Cameron, as was suggested, suddenly psychically went through the back door, and Revok, was F-d.
shareHere's how I interpreted it:
At the beginning of the scanner fight between Cameron Vale and Darryl Revok, right after Cameron hits Revok with that little statue, Revok says something to Cameron:
"Ok, brother, I guess I'll just have to do it the scanner way: I'm going to suck your brains dry. Everything you are will become part of me. Then we can be together, like it should be. Don't you think?"
So, Revok was essentially pulling Cameron into him, into his body and mind.
After trying to resist and getting physically hurt, Cameron let go, but did the same thing to Revok.
That's why when Cameron's body caught fire and his eyes burst, we see Revok's eyes go all white, as if they too went missing, and Revok begin screaming in pain. At that point, Revok's scanner mind, his brain, was being sucked into Cameron's burning body without the eyes.
Afterwards, when Kim shows up and talks to Cameron Revok (Cameron Vale in Revok's body), he says "It's me, Kim. We've won!"
We see Cameron's blue eyes as proof it's him, instead of Revok's brown eyes. Furthermore, Revok's drill scar on his forehead is gone. It's fully Cameron, not Revok.
Cameron and Revok didn't merge in Revok's body, because Revok was sucked into Cameron's body.
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As with Videodrome, you get a main character that gives up his body to fight a higher cause (the new flesh). Vale defeats Revok, but loses his "vessle", so to speak. Max Renn kills himself, but prevents much of Videodrome to go further. Seth Brundle merges with the fly, only to be put out of misery at the end. It was stated that they (scanners) were all social misfits and outcasts, so he never really had a place in "normal" society to begin with.
shareGood post Walcaraz. I agree. And like FormsInFlux said, Kim actually senses Cameron's presence before he calls out to her. I don't think the ending is supposed to be ambiguous.
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Revok was more powerful than Cameron, but was too aggressive. Revok went full blown attack into Cameron's mind. Cameron tried to resist but was being overwhelmed, to the point that his body was being torn apart. Realizing that Revok had the edge in power, but not the edge in control, Cameron stopped resisting. At that point, while Revok was still attacking hence his psychic power were being transferred, so to speak, into Cameron's brain, instead of trying to resist and re-gain control of his own brain he attacked Revok's brain, so Revok psychic attack resulted in his mind being "outcast" into the now-in-flames body of Cameron. At that point, it was too late for Revok to "pull back" and regain control of his brain, so ultimately being so aggressive led him to his demise and resulted in a "switch" between the two. At least that's my interpretation of it.
shareyes and the drill scar on his forehead is gone like OP mentioned. In the video footage of Revok as a youngster, he tells the off camera interviewer-lady that he put the hole there to let the voices out, and put a picture of an EYE over the hole so people would think it was an eye and couldnt get "in". I think this is a foreshadow to the ending, letting us know that Revok is aware of that scanner-possession by other minds is possible.
shareThank you for that! Answers my question down to an A.
shareOne of THE greatest endings ever.
sharenot sure, but after their battle, revok loses the scar on his forehead and his eyes change color. i think cameron definitely kicked his ass.
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I think this is a reference to the sparring partner who could control his heartbeat and slow it himself. Reminded me of those Buddhists monks who slowly mumify themselves or allow themselves to die by being burned in a lotus position and not scream in pain.
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