3.9 - Philistines


This is a movie so suspend your disbelief and stop behaving like Titanic experts.

It has some hugely memorable scenes and a great score as well as decent acting.

This movie is entertaining , what the hell else do you want?. It may have flopped commercially so it gets the treatment from 'buffs'on here.

One word - Phillistines.

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decent acting

Doubt it. Exhibit A: "Put the wormy on the hooky."

stop behaving like Titanic experts

It's a fictional story that uses the most famous shipwreck in history. You don't think that Titanic historians are going to discuss the film?

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Most of what people know was discovered in 1985, what i cant understand is why the James Cameron film is acclaimed and this is ridiculed.

I said decent acting for what it is, i didnt say it was Orson Welles.

Even if historians watch it , i highly doubt they would review it on here - this is a piece of fiction and should be treated as such.

It wouldnt have sounded quite as interesting if the film was called 'raise the Lusitania' whereas everyone roughly knows the story of the Titanic.

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Most of what people know was discovered in 1985

That is absolutely, 100% untrue. We have transcripts from 2 government inquiries and countless survivor accounts not to mention the bible of Titanica...A Night to Remember. We've gained some forensic information. That's pretty much it.

James Cameron film is acclaimed and this is ridiculed

Because the Cameron film has a good cast, good acting and a coherent script...all of which Raise the Titanic lacks. Most of the cast is wrong for their roles (Richard Jordan as an action hero?!). The dialogue that is good is poorly delivered and not directed well. And the script pretty much falls apart at the end with subplots being forgotten about and major characters simply disappearing.

I said decent acting for what it is, i didnt say it was Orson Welles.

You did not say "for what it is". You said decent acting. The acting was atrocious. And the casting was even worse. They allowed Stanley Donen to leave and hired a man who had never directed a feature film. Jerry Jameson should be flogged in every public square where this movie played in the theatre. And then everyone who spent money purchasing a copy or renting a copy should be able to line up and slap him.

Even if historians watch it , i highly doubt they would review it on here

We do, darling. That's why some of us are here. Because even though it's trash, we like it. It's like having a copy of Hannah Montana that you keep in the closet and only watch it when the shades are pulled and the neighbors are gone.

this is a piece of fiction and should be treated as such

That still doesn't excuse a poor script, poor acting and an entire film based around special effects.

It wouldnt have sounded quite as interesting if the film was called 'raise the Lusitania' whereas everyone roughly knows the story of the Titanic.

No one said anything about that. Not sure where you're getting this from.

Raise the Titanic is rated so low because it's not a good movie. It has nothing to do with how faithful it is to the Titanic story. It really has nothing to do with the Titanic story other than the ship itself (which is the stage on which the story of the Titanic was played out). It *is* faithful in that the models used for the wreck are very very well-done and quite accurate.

Anyone who stomps around this board and complains because the ship isn't broken in two in this film is more stupid than Jerry Jameson. It's common knowledge (or easily obtainable knowledge) that at the time this film was made, it was believed that the ship sank in one piece and that the water in that area of the ocean would perfectly preserve the ship.

So, quite honestly. I don't know why you're sitting here complaining.

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Quite honestly darling im complaining because i feel the rating is too low.

You have passionate opinions about this film , surely that alone would tell you its worthy of a greater rating.

Personaly i find it to be a good film, it ticks all my boxes, although i havent seen it in some time.

Surely even if what you said were true regarding the acting etc, the visuals alone would merit some praise and credit.

Im not sure why im discussing this with you as you seem to like the film despite the flaws you see - it obviously has charm.

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Surely even if what you said were true regarding the acting etc, the visuals alone would merit some praise and credit.

And that is why we get the type of movies that we do nowadays. Because people like you excuse the meat of a movie and think it's good because it's pretty.

Quite honestly darling im complaining because i feel the rating is too low.

Are you serious? How much stock do you put in an IMDB rating? It's a social media function of a website where anyone...even those who don't register...can drive by and fling a rating at a movie. There's no science to it. There's no informed critical opinion going on. There's probably not even a thought that goes into it.

Why does a rating on a website that is primarily a catalogue of information have any bearing on the quality of a movie? It's a USER RATING...and anyone that types i-m-d-b-dot-c-o-m into their browser can rate these. Whether it's Roger Ebert of Joe Schmoe.

How can you put any stock whatsoever in this rating?!

If you like it, more power to you. Other people not liking a film doesn't diminish your enjoyment.

I happen to enjoy it when I'm alone. I like it because it's a movie I watched with my father and watching it reminds me of him. Plus, I love the Titanic, I find Anne Archer to be adorable and love Jason Robards. But I'd never subject anyone else to it. It's godawful.

The rating on some stupid website, however, doesn't bother me in the least. But I guess I'm secure with my likes/dislikes and don't need others to weigh in on something so that I can take pleasure in it...a trait you might strive to acquire.

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The rating equates to its general popularity with the public thats all, it isnt a figure plucked from thin air. Thats why i put some stock in the rating.

I find your name dropping of various people quite tedious, it doesnt lend weight to any of your arguments , it only serves to suggest your moulded by other peoples arguments and philosophys. Your assumption i like movies purely driven by visuals alone is quite misguided.

Im also quite happy with my own traits , thought not perfect , i dont wish to aquire anyone elses. I dont seek others approval for the things i like or dislike.


Vini , Vidi , i left unimpressed.

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Name-dropping? What are you talking about? Roger Ebert was a passing reference to a prolific critic. I also mentioned the cast and director of the film. I'll point out that you threw out James Cameron and Orson Welles, two people that have nothing to do with Raise the Titanic.

general popularity with the public

No. With a bunch of casual users on an internet site...and those are the active users, not the larger percentage of passive users that collect information and leave.

Your assumption i like movies purely driven by visuals alone is quite misguided.

You made the statement. And I did NOT take it out of context in my post. If you don't want to discuss it, then leave it out of your post. Otherwise, it's fair game. And you said that you'd excuse the story because the visuals are so great.

I dont seek others approval for the things i like or dislike.

Then why are you so passionate about this? Why do you seem so utterly wounded because other people don't like this film?

In the end, who really gives a crap if someone else likes it? What matters is that you do.

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Sorry, I've never seen this movie, but I just have to call you out on your idiocy...your ability to believe that something created to entertain people can actually be less or more worthy based on Roger Ebert's (may he rest in peace) opinion over someone like mine. That's just idiocy, as I said, since everyone has different tastes, preferences, etc., and since movies are generally created for entertainment. Who are you to say Roger Ebert is any more "right" about what is entertaining than anyone else?

Most of your silly arguements are also semantical and seem to exist for the sake of being arguementative. It makes you seem like a dick, and I think you should explore this perception you cast onto people (me, and perhaps others) who don't even know you based on your posts. It may do you some good in learning how to communicate better and it may, if you are an open minded person, allow you to perceive yourself in a different light and think about the way you present yourself.

Good luck to you.

Sorry, no animals in the discussion hall. You have to dismount your high horse to participate.

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HAHA Love the thread title, mainly because I happen to agree with it. I too don't feel this flick is getting fair treatment. The concept is quite exciting as a subject, whether or not it is realistic. Richard Jordan did a decent--not AWESOME, but acceptable--and believable job as Dirk Pitt.
The bottom line here is that this project was obviously created with alot of passion and that recognition should be included in one's vote. I can't see how this film would rate anything less than a 5 overall. I gave it a 7 myself, because I happen to enjoy it. I think it is a fascinating film. But IMHO alot of "titanic junkies" went into this with preconceived notions and couldn't simply turn their analytical minds off and enjoy it for what it is.

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