I'm sick and tired of people putting this movie down since it wasn't 'Realistic.'
Get This Through your heads!!
The Book was written a good while BEFORE the ship was found. The movie was made in 1980 meaning there was still 5 years till they found the ship.
Yes it was wish full thinking but truely back then they knew no better.
Stop saying it's a bad movie JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT FACT TIGHT.
I've not seen the movie BUT I am reading the book. As soon as I finish the book I'll be onto watching what I believe is a great movie for when it was made.
I never thought it was a bad movie. I liked how it was made, loved the music; I think the actors/actress. The lines, the ship...you name it was perfect. I'm even hearing the theme in my head. I loved how the ship was raised in the movie. Wish it could have happened for real, but they sure made it look like it had been for real. Just like in "The Poseidon Adventure," I nearly thought that the ship had been really capsized. Mrs. L.
Long Live Linarcos "Order Full Ahead Captain." Still in love with Fred Sadoff
One of my favourite movies despite what anyone says. Richard Jordan was fantastic as Pitt. The background story by Cussler was brilliant and well adapted to the screen. I just wish that this story was made itself into a movie set in 1912 following the discover of the Bizanium to its running gun battle from Aberdeen to Southampton by Hobart and the other miners. This is one of the best music scores John Barry ever did. By the way the other adapted Cussler effort Sahara was awful and miscast throughout. Jordan is Dirk Pitt.
Its one thing to say that something isnt realistic eg people complaining that explosions in space wouldnt happen because of no oxygen, It is another thing completely to defend this pile of baby diaper!!
I am stunned at the lack of brain cells being used, its amazing to think hundreds of people turned up for work to make this retarted film and never questioned it,
I am stunned at no point in the film did anyone say (please correct me) that there are over 1000 corpses on that wreck, that it is a graveyard is never (forgive the pun),brought up,
My first car bought in 1992 rusted more quickly than the titanic which was sumberged in water for 68 years!!! according to this film,
Not only do they raise it but it is in such good condition that it is practically usable ten minutes after it is raised, i am suprised they didnt start issuing tickets for its next voyage!!
There are always people who defend any piece of c**p, i guess its just the cool thing to go against the crowd,
I watched this film countless times as a kid on rainy saturday afternoons, couldn't give a crap about realism then, couldn't give a crap about it now. I still love the cheesey old thing.
Certain dull gits should be more concerned about the misrepresentation of the First Officer Murdoch in titanic as a coward who committed suicide, Cameron's apology means nothing while he keeps that scene in the film.
People's reputations are more important than crappy physics debates on daft old blockbusters.
I loved it, it was one of the first films i saw at the cinema as a kid, it was back in the day when you went in at any time and didn't get thrown out, i saw it in widescreen as a youngster then had to suffer years of really bad transfers in 4x3ish, then came the er 16x9ish print and now there is a real widescreen of it, yaaaay, i did not care if the fx were fantastic or not, i loved it, you like it or dont, i did and for me thats all that matters.... my opinion nlly
The morality of raising the Titanic is irrelevant to the quality of the film. Besides, Pitt had a reason that doesn't exist in reality: finding a mineral to protect the United States from a nuclear attack. If this were a real-world situation, you can bet people would question the "leave it as a graveyard" argument.
The Titanic's decomposition is a more valid point, but again it's (almost) irrelevant to the quality of the film. Suspend your disbelief just like you do whenever you see a spaceship traveling faster than light. If you assume the ship COULD be raised intact, how would you judge the rest of the movie?
yo Bodie, Steel certainly does rust underwater and it rusts faster in salt water than fresh water. Google it and you will learn something today. I know it's been 5 years but I expect an immediate reply!
I agree. Richard Jordan was a fantastic Dirk Pitt. When I read the novel, as well as subsequent novels, I pictured Jordan as Pitt and Jason Robards as Admiral Sandecker. John Barry's score was perfect, especially the scen where The Titanic surfaces. That being said, there were enough plot holes in the movie to sail the Titanic through. The hurricane that never materialized being one. Maybe if they ever release this on DVD then they can include the other half of the story that must have wound up on the cutting room floor. As far as idiots, how about the people I ran into in the early 80's who honest to god thought the Titanic had actually been located and raised. Nothing like the stupidity of the average Reagan era yuppie.
I will not hear a bad word about this film. As a die hard Titanic afficianado and incurable fantasist, there's something child like about the film. I mean this in the most polite sense of the word. The sheer dreamlike nature of the whole incident, from the terrible maritime tragedy to the reverie like image of seeing Titanic towed into New York Harbour. I love the performances in it, because they're so earnest. From the late great Richard Jordan as Dirk Pitt to classics such as Jason Robards and Alec Guinness. The scene with Guinness and the White Star pennant always leaves me with a lump in my throat as does the wonderfully evocative score by John Barry. I simply do not have enough superlatives to describe the film. Everytime I see it, I'm reminded how that great ship is detriorating with every second and soon will only be alive in the tales imparted by survivirs and artefacts recovered. I would love to have seen soem sort of recovery of Titanic taking place as there is no more famous ship in all the world.
Man, at the time the book was written there were still a good few survivors of the disaster left alive. Couldn't they have consulted at least one to ask if the ship went down in one piece? It is so far-fetched, but it is an enjoyable movie.
Many survivors testified that the ship had sunk in one peace, including Archibald Gracie, who was on the promenade deck with the music band at the time Titanic sank.
Then the movie was released. Despite being in the Navy, I managed to check it out. I enjoyed the film. I enjoyed so much that it was almost a shame when the RMS Titanic was found.
I've since seen the film. The special effects, by today's standards, might be laughable to some. Some of us, especially Navy veterans would find amusement in the sight of some old Gearing class destroyers (which have all been stricken from the active Navy by the early 1980's) manned by Sailors in compliance with the old grooming standards (i.e., beards and longer hair styles) and the old utility blues (which have been dumped out of our seabags since @1982).
The scenes of the RMS Titanic rising from her watery grave in the middle of a virtual tug-of-war between the Americans and the Soviets rank with the scenes of King Kong climbing the Empire State Building clutching Fay Wray.
The bottom line is that "Raise the Titanic" is not a history lesson, a study of current events or a film about the Navy Regs.
Not just the way Murdoch was treated in Titanic....I think of how Christian Adams was treated in Greengrass' United 93. Both otherwise great movies that unfortunately took artistic license to trash the reputation of a hero in a disaster.
Might have been a good movie if it had actually had a script. I had no problem with the actors or the special effects - there just wasn't a story to support any of that and the dialogue sounded like an amateur had written it. I understand it underwent about a dozen rewrites, one or more of them after consulting the Pentagon - nothing can survive that.
I absolutely love this movie. I have never read the book and frankly never will. The score is one of the very best ever written for a film. I just fail to see why so many people hate this movie. Its in my DVD collection. Just sticking up for it really.
"when in doubt - kill !" Richard Crenna , First Blood
Hey Exorcist, I too have fond memories of this movie. Like others have said, I was excited and blown away when the ship actually surfaced and was towed into New York Harbor. However, I'd highly recommend reading the book as well. I've read a few of Cussler's Dirk Pitt novels, but this one really stands out. It was a fantastic read. If you're into stories of old shipwrecks, Cussler is one of the best authors to read. The fact that he actually does shipwreck exploration in real life totally helps the believeability factor.
I agree 100% with you MisterEggMan. Jerry Jameson was definitely not the ideal choice to helm a picture of such magnitude. The film sometimes feels like a made-for-TV movie, but that is the director's fault and not the fault of the actors. It's clear that the actors on-screen tried their hardest with the flat and shallow script they were given to work with and I'll even go further on the line of honesty and say that David Selby's performance absolutely did not deserve a Razzie award nomination.
The original director was slated to be Stanley Kramer who, in my honest opinion, would of done a hell of a lot better job than Jerry Jameson. However, due to unknown creative differences (unknown to me, that is), Kramer stormed off the set and the producers were left high and dry without a director. It seems they went to bottom of the barrel for a director and came up with Jerry Jameson who, according to his current IMDb resume, seems to take whatever job is offered to him. I think the main reason for the hiring of Jameson was his experience with big budget films like Airport '77 which, coincidentally enough, involves the raising of a large object (that time, a jet instead of a ship) sunk on the ocean floor with the help of the U.S. Navy.
The script has its flaws, but I will also say that the editing is to blame as well. From what I've heard, over two hours of material was left on the cutting room floor including a large chunk of character development, a conclusion to the romance between Gene and Dana, more underwater scenes, additional shots on board the raised Titanic and of course the entire original opening scene with the ship sinking with the introduction of Arthur Brewster (Joshua Hays Brewster to those of us who have read the novel) and the younger version of Bigalow. However, in order to keep the time down and maintain a family-friendly movie, the editors reduced the film to what we see now. While many films usually cut away all the "fat" (i.e. lengthy or unnecessary scenes), RTT could of been better with the scenes I just mentioned intact even though the box office performance probably wouldn't of been any better. The movie was a tough sell back in 1980 and it probably would of done better if it had been made sooner since the book was fairly popular when it was first published. However, like Heaven's Gate, Inchon, The Island and even Can't Stop the Music, each movie wound up in an undeserving fate that tarnished its makers and sadly made company-controlled regulations on movie making the way we see it today.
Science flew people to the Moon, religion flew people into buildings.
Right you are MisterEggMan! Stanley Kramer would of done a bang-up job as RTT's director and I can guarantee that the editing team would of been a group of professionals instead of cut-ups. I can guarantee this because the editors for RTT were handpicked by Jerry Jameson since he had worked with them on several projects in the past.
I place a good deal of the blame for the film's negative reception on not only the editing, but on the producers for wanting to make a "family feature" out of a clearly mature novel ("mature" meaning above the level of a PG movie). The two screenwriters shouldn't be given all the bad rap for the film's failure because their work was at the mercy of studio producers and one swift pen stroke can eliminate entire pages, scenes and whole characters just because the producers are the ones in charge.
Science flew people to the Moon, religion flew people into buildings.
I enjoy rewatching it once or twice a year and will stick up for it too. The photography and visuals are perfect and John Barry's music is amongst the most sublime he's ever written. What's wrong with it is a useless director, a crap script, and a crap cast. Even Alec Guinness comes out of it incurably tarnished.
This film was made and released five years before Dr. Robert Ballard found the ship. They did not know it's condition at the time and until 1985 the whole world thought the ship was in one piece, not two. Also this is based on the excellent 1976 Clive Cussler novel and follows it closely. So to answer the sarcastic arguements of a previous message, they used what information they had at the time with what special effects they had at the time. Imagine if they remade it now with teh CGI they have. It would be a jaw-dropping experience, although obviously inacurate to the new discoveries over the last twenty years.
The problem here is that this is a "techie" film and has a MAJOR cult following.....Not some goddamned Disney matinee (Though Barry's score is awfully like '79's "The Black Hole" - not to mention several Bond films, but it that a "BAD" thing??? - Hell no!) Some malignant dwarf comments on how "jaw dropping" the film would be if it were done in CGI.........Sure it would, it'd look like a mindless video game - just like EVERYTHING else done in that medium.... I first saw this over 20 years ago and have loved it ever since.......Did I ever watch that bloated, big budgeted abortion "Titanic"?.....That, in my opinion is crap.......This film is fun and never lets up....Is there a law that says it has to be believable? - there is NOT! It was made for entertainment purposes and succeeds at it's goal - from my POV anyway. Granted Selby's rather stiff, maybe Collins removed too much of those red cells during Dark Shadows....who knows.Guinness is wonderful - as always...Jason Robards is, well, Jason Robards, and always fun! Get over it people! Can't you enjoy a film for what it is? Nothing anyone can say will sway my opinion on this film......and, that as they say, is that!
Yeah, the Titanic coming up out of the water and coming into NY harbor were spectacular. Can't do it nearly as well with CGI. CGI always looks so cartoonish.
I'll say it's a bad movie, not because it's not realistic (that is just nit-picking), but because it's boooooooooooring. Imagine making a Bond movie or an Indy movie and then the producers say "take out all the action scenes, we don't need them"... what are you left with? Nothing but a shell of a good story with butchered characters and just plain dull to boot. I'll be filming a review of this soon.
"Well I didn't expect a kind-of Spanish Inquisition!" - Monty Python
Interesting take. I can't really see the relation between Bond, Indy and this film. This isn't an action film at all, and that's good. Remember the embarassing chase/shooting scene in Cameron's Titanic? If ever such a scene felt tagged on...
Have you read the book? Or any of Clive Cussler's books? That's what the Dirk Pitt stories are like. Bond, fighting communist Russians or evil corporate dictators; with elements of India Jones treasure hunting adventure. Seriously, read the book for crying out loud and you'll see what a mess they made of RtT.
"Well I didn't expect a kind-of Spanish Inquisition!" - Monty Python
No, I haven't read his books, thanks for the info!
Maybe the filmmakers thought raising the Titanic would have been a bit too much combined with such action-adventure stuff. If they did, I think they made the right decision.
The 'treasure hunt' element is there, as is the Cold War setting. 'Shoot 'em up' mentality would have ruined what in my opinion is a decent adventure film as it is.