What's The Deal With The Cover?
With the astronaut and the crucifix?
"I can't so much as drink a damn glass of water around a midget or a piece of antique furniture."
first of all i don't want to spoil the movie if you haven't seen it..
so have you? if so, i think i could explain it well enough past a simple explanation that it's in a character's dream for ONE ...
TWO -- well ... like i asked - have u seen the film??
okily dokily smokily
I have been unable to find it on DVD, but I'd love to watch it. I may have to bite the bullet and order it online. But, no, I haven't seen it.
"I can't so much as drink a damn glass of water around a midget or a piece of antique furniture."
well i just ordered it, under $15 i believe!, and my GOD, it was worth every red cent..
i believe if i FULLY explain it, it'll ruin the full meaning of the movie w/o you having already seen it... i HATE to ruin it for others since i've had it ruined for myself and i hate that ..
i could give you a short reason - but you'd still be like 'huh?' sooo...
do you care if i spoil it all?
or does --"So the guy in the astronaut suit doesn't have to die alone, the man on the cross is there with him, there in proving God does exist" -- explain anything for you?
if not, like i said, i'd have to go into the film and tell you about it and explain it out...
:)
"I'm a Buddhist - In case of accident, call a Lama" (The Ninth Configuration)
@gamergirl7
I hate to do this but I think you are a bit wrong summing it up. The movie is not really about God existing, it is about the value of faith. In the movie God is treated as an abstract notion, often scornfully. The movie basically says "stop wondering about God, it's pointless".
When Kane and Cutshaw discuss the state of the universe and humanity et al they are not really talking religion or God, they are engaging in basic philosophical questing. Let's not loose sight of the fact that the film actually denigrates organized religion and promotes the idea that science is the doctrine to follow. It blatantly states that "simply believing in a god" is not the way to go.
I was raised Catholic and in my teens rejected it, I still do because organized religions are political constructs. But I also always saw that there was some basic benevolent element to Christian teachings that I agreed with. This film reconciled that for me. The movie is about intangibles like faith and what we dont know and likely will never know. If you beleive in the worst you promote the worst. I just worry that this film might get painted as a religious film connecting it to political issues and the type of dogma it actually refutes.
"Every kind thought is the hope of the world."
There is so much to discuss regarding this film it gets dizzying.
i now don't know what part of what i said you're referring to - all's i know is that the cover refers to Kane giving up his life to show Cutshaw that there are miracles and that he won't die alone up in space/in life - there's hope and is a reason to have faith in human kind because not all of human kind is bad and evil and sick in the now-a-days
:)
but ok - i do agree though i wasn't saying anything to the opposite of you conorkiley- actually.... sorry if you read it that way... i'm terrible at explaining stuff on the net, ppl need to be w/ me in person to be able to more adequately explain things lol :(
"I'm a Buddhist - In case of accident, call a Lama" (The Ninth Configuration)
I know what you mean about text communication and how difficult it can be. I (likely improperly) used your post as a jumping off point to illustrate another issue. I had been reading comments in the King Kong debate where a bunch of creationists went on the attack and that influenced my response. I shouldn't have done that so the fault is mine for reading too much into your post and making it sound like you implied things that you did not. I get carried away sometimes and go off on tangents... Sorry.
As you point out it's really difficult to discuss issues on the net as if it were a personal conversation, it leads to all sorts of misunderstandings. I may sometimes sound crazy on the net, but I'm really not. I should use that last line as a sig attached to everything I post...
:-)
Conor - incidentally, you sound like me LMAO
i mean, in all technicalities, i don't get some parts (all the theology and philosophy) of "The Ninth Configuration" - y'know? WHat's the point? What's it all mean? but some parts, IMHO's at the moments, i can get -- like the dream Cutshaw keeps having, esp. after finally explaining why he wouldn't go to the moon--- b/c as i watched that seen i mirrored what he was ABOUT to say -- i said it outloud before he could say it b/c i finally GOT IT! "He didn't want to die ALONE".. :(
i dunno what it all means - i suppose my Lit teacher here at my college would LOVE for me to retake his class now for having said that - we already went over how to analyze a story to 'figure out what it all means', but... i don't know..
and i don't think i do want to know -- it just IS what it is... and i like it...
i suppose i love complicated films -- maybe that should be MY sig at the end of my posts? LOL
i'm a complicated person too i guess lol :o)
"I'm a Buddhist - In case of accident, call a Lama" (The Ninth Configuration)
it just IS what it is... and i like it...
I think that stands on its own and I wanted to highlight it. Kudos.
Some of what you said reminded me of Alfie with Micheal Caine. "What's it all About Alfie?"
There are all sorts of things I connect with regarding Ninth Configuration. Mainly the brutal conflict between Cutshaw and Kane. I understand your focus on Cutshaws dreams and his need for companionship but for me I always associated with Kane. The need to fix and amend past wrongs. The movie is like an inkblot test.
I cant say anything really specific because I cant find my dvd of the freakin movie! I have the case but the dvd isn't in it and now I need to go searching.
"I think the end of the world just came for that bag of Fritos I had in my back pocket".
Conor - love your end quote of your last post - i laughed at that scene -- Scott Wilson was hilarious and poignantly sad in this film, i tell ya...
and thanks - i'm glad i struck a chord w/ ya
y'know, i like what u said too though --"the movie is like an inkblot test".... it really is... it can test you down to the core - your beliefs, your concentration & your humour, and your emotions too... i was able to hang onto EVERY second! i know some people wouldn't b/c for some people they'd have been confused and lost after the first 10 minutes lol
like my boyfriend for instance - but enough about him already
i love all the good one liners as well - just very funny... and then it all turns on ya into this melodramatic test of... philosophy and ... beliefs
i dunno - i just wish that Blatty could have done a better job on the BOOK, or at least so i've heard. and i SO wanna read "twinkle, twinkle killer kane" to see what it was like, b/c i reaaaaaaaally liked the book version of 'exorcist',.... well apparently it sux a big one (a big foot maybe? lol) so i'm hesitant to read it... but i think Blatty did a wonderful job at adapting into a film i can say that much already :)
"... and they send me a dog with a lisp!!" (Jason Miller as 'Reno' in The Ninth Configuration)
"I'm a Buddhist - In case of accident, call a Lama" (The Ninth Configuration)
"Something else, Colonel - stick a pinnapple up your %$*#! and pretend you're Hawaiian" ('Reno" in T.N.C.)
I have never read the book, I searched for it a long time ago (by searching I mean visited a bunch of libraries a decade ago only to find 10 copies of Exorcist and that Twinkle was out of print). If I find an online resource or method to get the book I'll let you know.
My memory of the book Exorcist is crass, I flipped through it as a kid looking for the dirty parts, never read it proper.
Your comment about your boyfriend is funny, my wife likes the movie but any time I try to really discuss the details of it with her her eyes glaze over and I get a blank look or dismissive nod. I have a feeling she only likes the movie because she had a crush on Stacy Keach.
All this stuff aside this is my favorite quote-
"I think the problem may lie in the properties of the hammer." There are funnier and more bizarre quotes but that one really sticks with me.
I also love how that whole scene plays out regarding teaching the atoms to behave, and the line "Your grip is very, VERY strong". The hammer comment reflects Kanes approach to not use brute force, and the grip comment foreshadows his potential for violence.
I know this movie by heart fer sh*ts sake, what's wrong with me?
nothin's wrong with you Conor- i'm that way with a few other movies "OF Mice & Men" (Sinise/Malkovich version), "Interview witht the Vampire", "Return to Oz", "From Dusk Till Dawn" -- i've always watched my fave movies over and over to know the lines of one fave character -- helps my memory....
may also be why i haven't got a definitive personality since i'm an only child who never really had tons of friends --- my personality consists of my fave characters growing up lol
i'm pathetic i know, but at least i can admit it lol
i'm finding myself these days tho, since i'm in College - thank God almighty lol
"I'm a Buddhist - In case of accident, call a Lama" (The Ninth Configuration)
Well right off the bat anyone who appreciates the brilliance of "From Dusk Till Dawn" gets a Chance card and maybe even a "get out of jail free".
I LOVE that movie. I am guesing here but what was the line Clooney delivered -"Let me give you in death the peace I could not give you in life"? That was so bittersweet. The movie was in many ways a tragic love story and the death of Tarantino's character, in effect his entire existence, became a sad fact of life. So much of the movie is about accepting unpleasant realities.
The other films you mention I have not seen recently. Should I seek them out? It all depends on when one sees a movie and the state of mind of the viewer I suppose.
Ask me who I was when I was 10 and I would have responded with a combination of Bugs Bunny, James Bond and Burt Reynolds circa "Hooper". Ask me a few years later and I would say Reese from Terminator and Conan/action testosterone; any cynical bit of business available at the time was great, after that I sort of settled into who I really am. I guess it just takes time to be OK with who we are.
It's actually a bit strange talking to someone in college, I remember my life at that age and how it seemed to make no sense at one time and perfect sense at another yet later it sort of fell into place and I couldn't figure out what I was thinking when I was 20. It's a mess and we all want lines fed to us so as to avoid the moments when we are lost for words.
You are not crazy. You are weird and likely have a mental disorder (We all have one), but you are not crazy. Everyone is weird. Go Figure.
:-)
"Richie - let me give you the peace in the death that i could not give you in life" -- yup that's it lol :)
i'm 24 by the way, and go to a kind of 'jr college' -- Brown Mackie in Cincinnati so everyone knows lol... but its a great one... i like it just fine ..
as for mental disorders-- maybe a bit of depression and anxiety now and again... i get too stressed out way too quickly and i just get irritable and cry my eyes out and i'm fine... but isn't that like most people?
and don't say no lol i'll really go crazy then
the other movies i mentioned i just always loved - but i do think "return to oz" was a good little movie for a kids/fantasy movie... on my list, i failed to mention "Neverending Story"?? another movie that i loved and watched over and over and over... and actually got my hands on the book - which is SO much better it's ridiculous.
Sinise's version of "OF Mice & Men" is absolutely FABULOUS---- wonderful version... it IS a must see... very sad of course if you know the story, but GREAT... Sinise could've done better acting as he also directed and may have been a bit distracted lol, but great none-the-less
"Interview with the Vampire" -- you've never seen it? Ohh, that too is very wonderful, not a typical horror - it's more like a 'hordrama' lol.... very good... interesting and melodramatic... Kirsten Dunst is WONDERFUL even at 12.. she was a young girl embraced as a vampire and so as the movie progresses she is like a 50 yr old in a 12 yr old body -- and you can see it in her eyes and the way she speaks to Lestat/Tom Cruise and Louis/Brad Pitt... too sad and wonderful to put into words... so much knowing in those eyes :(
Yes i do recommend that one too
And another good, funny, quote of "From Dusk Till Dawn" -- <Kate> "Where are you taking us?"
<Richie> "Mexico."
<Kate> "What's in Mexico?"
<Richie> "Mexicans."
<Kate looks slightly confused.>
"I'm a Buddhist - In case of accident, call a Lama" (The Ninth Configuration)
With the age comment I meant how as time passes we seem to become different people and get baffled by some choices we make when younger. I just used 20 in an arbitrary way, didn't mean to claim you were less than 24. ;-)
Anyway- It doesn't matter what college you go to, what credentials you have... just follow your interests and be honest and consistent. At 24, 17 or 32 Honesty garners friends and consistency garners respect. Time does the rest.
You would be shocked how so many people get hired and given stunning power (and equally stunning paychecks) simply because they show up on time and don't do anything weird or insanely stupid.
The movies you mentioned are now in my head, OZ, Neverending story, etc, I saw them years ago but will now see them again.
"so much knowing in those eyes", Yes. Reading your comments reminded me of the emotional core of the film. I haven't seen it in years but what you said puts me right back into the film. It's amazing how the focus was Pitt and Cruise yet the emotional core was Dunst.
As for "Of Mice & Men", some tales just depress me so much I can't watch them anymore.
Thanks for pointing out those films, I will pay greater attention to them (I wish I had them handy on my drive but I do not). Freakin DRM!
glad what i said about 'Interview' put you right back in the film - i tend to do that with the things i say - you know, strike chords and all that lol
for me , 'bout the age thing, i was merely giving up a fact about myself - that's all .. i wasn't near to thinking you were insinuating i was under 20 lol... in fact there's so many people at my college that are over 30 years old that it's wonderful to see!! really is -- i don't think you need to be young to go to college to further or career... you'd have no clue the small amount of people i've talked to outside of college that go 'oohhh i'm too OLD to go to college' and i go "oh no you're NOT!! you're never too old to learn and to better yourself! now GO!!" lol
:)
i try not to get depressed by films, Conor - i really don't ... i just feel with the characters and go 'ahhh so sad' , and then... i watch a comedy..
y'see i made a presentation in my POWER POINT class that had to do about renting/watching films at home... and i said "don't watch dramas or horrors right before bed, they give you bad or sad, disturbing dreams - what you do is watch them in the middle of the afternoon, then follow either one (drama or horror) with a comedy to lighten up your spirits and put you in a better mood"... :) it's something i've always done -- and other advice i gave was to watch an action film during dinner - it's very hard to get the food into your mouth at the pace of the action with a sad drama or side-splitting comedy - you'll be choking on your food laughing so much lol...
so anyway - "of mice and men", still, is such a great study of human need of friends and companionship that i just love it still despite how depressing it is... and John Malkovich is just SO great as "Lenny" that i can't help but luv him lol :)
"I'm a Buddhist - In case of accident, call a Lama" (The Ninth Configuration)
conor_kiley your thoughts of what that means is you putting your own beliefs up there and making it what the movie stood for. If you watched some things the director/writer said..he doesn't seem to have a stance on it from either perspective. It seems the movie is more agnostic than anything.
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