I am a huge fan of The Ninth Configuration. It's one of those movies that grows on you. When I first saw it in the theater (as Twinkle Twinkle Killer Kane) it didn't make a huge impression on me. It's only after I viewed it on tape much later that I started seeing the incredible beauty of the direction. The one flaw was the ending, at least the ending I have on my copy, where Cutshaw finds the St. Christopher medal in the taxicab. It could have ended just fine without that scene. But other than that, I'd say it was flawless.
Hey, I'll discuss this with you, but as you posted months ago it'll probably take a while to respond. I loved the film as well, but thought the ending was really good. I was pretty worried while watching it that it was going to be a cheesy 'there is life after death' ending, but as you don't actually get to see what's on the St Christopher I thought it was quite effective.
When I started watching it I thought it was fairly incoherent, but it seemed to pull all the threads together and turned out to be really good, which is just what I like in a film.
I'd be interested what the reaction you remember being in the theater when you saw the film. Obviously someone liked it, it won the Golden Globe for Best Screenplay, or as Blatty says, "I was the Pia Zadora of that year."
Also, when did you see it in the theater? I remember it being advertised in the New York area in the summer of 1980, but understand it came out in 1979 at least in some markets.
Hey there! It's great to see other fans of The Ninth Configuration coming together and discussing what an excellent film it is. If you're interested, check out my resource site for it at http://tnc.xioflux.com. I keep it regularly updated and any feedback is more than welcome.
I, too, am a big fan of the movie, especially, after watching Blatty's commentary of the making of the movie - one of my email addresses is [email protected]. I've waited for years for someone to pickup on it, but no one has.
I just got it from Amazon, as a used book at a non-used price. But worth every penny! I also have the original novel "Twinkle Twinkle Killer Kane" coming in the mail.
Yes, for me too this was a very good movie, very underrated and much overlooked (as are many truly great movies). I first saw this on video in 1983 and even then it impressed me a lot. You have to see this movie to really appreciate it as it is very hard to express in words just what makes it tick. Stacy Keach and Scott Wilson give great performances. A gem.
Does anybody know how I can find that cheesy pop song at the beginning of the movie? The one that goes "San Anton' it's really good to see you..." It's not in the credits - and I can't find it anywhere, doing any type of search...
"San Antone," by Barry DeVorzon, was on two movie soundtracks, the first being "Rolling Thunder" which featured Tommy Lee Jones. Then, when he was brought in to score "The Ninth Configuration," they used this song to set the mood during filming and liked it so much they put it in the film.
Long story short, neither film's soundtrack is commercially available, and I know of no DeVorzon album available today.
It's not a cheesy song; I like it. DeVorzon actually was an accomplished songwriter with a lot of movie and TV work in his name; he also co-wrote some pop songs like the Eagles' "In The City" and "Nadia's Theme", a.k.a. the theme from the soap "The Young And The Restless."
YES! One of my top 5 movies of all time! And the novel was even better. If you are a true fan of the movie, you must read Blatty's original novel "Twinkle, Twinkle Killer Kane".
This trhead seems to have dropped off - but I'm interested in any resources to do with TNC. If you know of any, please e-mail me at [email protected]
I have, just because of the cover photograph, picked up this film in the video store many times, but never, until tonight, actually rented and watched it. I was somewhat disappointed. Blatty had a good premise and, it would seem, some good acting talent to work with, but the film did not live up to its potential. The DVD copy I rented also contained a brief 'featurette' on the film which included some comments by Blatty. It is actually this minutes long piece of video that fuels many of my objections to the film. This little piece made me respect the film less. Blatty's pseudo-intellectualism and 'logic' about the necessity of a benign deity in order to explain the 'mysteries of the universe' may, somewhere, although I haven't seen it, find some level of supportive argument, but such an argument is certainly not contained within The Ninth Configuration.
The film itself was quite interesting in ways - the cinematography, the performances given by Keach and Wilson were impressive and, as I said, the premise of the film is interesting. I understand its appeal, but, despite what Blatty might believe, the point he thinks the film makes and the conclusions he seeems to the think we are forced to draw from the film are both equally full of holes. The Ninth Configuration only skims the surfaces of the characters and, in order to even come close to adequately addressing what Blatty claims to be aiming for, this is entirely insufficient. We need to know more about the characters - their motives, their desires, their histories, their values, their metaphysical and epistemological beliefs and more if we want to even scratch the surface of what this film wants to hint at, or so the director's comments in the 'featurette' would suggest.
That sounds like a lot to ask of a film, doesn't it? Well, Blatty seems to write cheques his film can't cash.
As for the film itself, I think it is worth watching because it is, for the most part, entertaining. The style is enjoyable, the performances are quite good and the story itself is a good one, full of possibilities. Unfortunately, the film does not, in my view, realize its potential, but it should, at the least, spark some interesting conversation.
Callicles - I'm sorry you found the movie disappointing. I can almost guarantee it's because you watched the featurette of Blatty spouting off. You sound like a seasoned cinema veteran, I would think you would have learned by now never to listen to directors who take their movies too seriously. Most filmmakers are so taken with their own talents that they go "over the top" in discussing the "meaningfulness" of their films. I think Coppolla is a good example as well. "Apocolypse Now" was a good film; but I once heard Coppolla waxing philosophical about it, making it sound as if the film was the moral equivalent of the Second Coming.
Now I haven't seen the Blatty interview, but I can tell you that, as an atheist, I was able to filter out the theological subtext of the film (while still enjoying the repartee on good vs. evil) and still found this to be an outstanding work, from a pure filmmaking point of view. Sure, the theology was crapola, but to me, ALL theology is crapola, so I take it in stride. If the Blatty blather made you expect some kind of mind-bending epiphany on God or the nature of existence, of COURSE you would be disappointed; no film will ever deliver that. To be honest, I found it a good "try"; Keach's line, "If you think God doesn't exist because of all the bad things, why don't you think he DOES exist because of all the good things?" was not bad for pop-theology (until you remember that an all-good deity is not supposed to allow the existence of evil in the first place.)
Do yourself a favor, watch it again, and again. Everyone on this board will tell you that they gain new perspective on the film with each re-screening.
Sorry for the length, and for the delay; I only today found out how I can review my past postings on IMDB. So I'm playing catch-up.
Wow!!! it must be an awesome movie! I hardly see movie fans come together on a post like this, in IMDB. Anyway, the cover of this DVD captured my attention in a second hand shop. After I saw all your post, it really draws me to buy and watch. Since it is an investment for me(to buy), and I know nothing about it. I like to ask due to the genre of Mr. Blatty’s... is there gonna be any gore, is the torture gruesome? I just can’t deal with blood. Exorcist reached my limit.
Hi letsveg! First off i'd like to join the group in praising this beautifully crafted film. Secondly William Blatty started off as a political cartoonist (for the New York post I believe) and wrote mostly comedy screenplays (he wrote the Pink Panther film 'A Shot In The Dark') and wrote The novel of The Exorcist largly to get away from being pigeon holed as a comedy writer. A fact that won't be lost on you if you finally descide to watch 'The Ninth Configuration'. Which has a lot of hilarious scenes in it. That said the film is as dark as it is funny and uplifting. There is one very grim nightmare, (no blood but with one very dark image) and the bar room fight scene and Cutshaw's/Kane's humilation though not bloody is definatly strong stuff. All of these scenes are perfectly justifable in the context of the film and none of them are as gratuatous as you would find in most tacky horror films. I hope you descide to give it a try. (I normally also Suggest giving Exorcist 1 and 3 a try too as these form a lose trilogy by Blatty but In it's current form Exorcist 3 has alot of gore in it ....put in under the orders of the studio executives, I hope one day Blatty can do a directors cut... and The Exorcist might be a bit too strong for you but if you are feeling brave watch the newer version, once again it's not just a tacky horror film, it has alot to say about the human condition and the nature of faith, but it is an exstreme piece of cinema and yes there is blood) I hope this has been helpful.
Very nice, thanks Poofta1970, Actually, after I have read all your posts, I decided to watch this movie. This movie gives a strong feel of a dark side, and I didn’t want to run into unexpected gore! I do like The Exorcist. I introduced to couple of my younger friends as one of scariest film all time, along with The Shining, Omen ...etc. I like all genres of movie; and I love one with a message. But I hate movies that sell gore, i.e.: Hellraiser, Evil Dead, Zombies... type of movies that I can’t stand.
It's very much a matter of personal taste. I have often found myself enjoying films with a great deal of the old ketchup spraying about. Films like old Vincent Price movies or Evil Dead 2 are so tongue in cheek one can't and shouldn't try to take them too seriously. Other films like Dawn of the Dead and the rather disturbing Japanese Horror film Audition actual have a message at their core. I find Romero's films particularly hold an uneasy mirror of our society. The zombies with quiet shuffling and obsession with shopping malls are very much like Mr and Mrs Everyday. It's the Living, always at each other throats who are the villains. It's their inability to live together that kills them (you never see a zombie film where the zombies attack zombies, but the living are always pointing guns at each other) What I can't stand are films that have no respect for the viewing audience. I find Se7en far more audious for example. It doesn't really have much gore in it but it's ridiculously contrived, (there just aren't any serial killers like the one in that film.) and with it's literary pretentions, it mascarades as an 'important' film with a potent social message. When it's in fact just an excuse for a bunch of writers to to think of increasingly sick and sadist ways of bumping of totally tokenistic characters. That's why I'm so in love with this film. It realy does have something to say and I hope William Blatty gets a chance to make more films. He has a unique way of seeing the world.