Bar Scene doubt


Sorry, if I've miss anything...In the bar scene,why did the biker starts missing at Cutshaw?

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It seems to have started because of the stupid bet the two scumbags had that he was the famous astronaut. Cutshaw tried to stay low profile, but they identified him, and were disgusted by his cowardice in not going to the moon, even worse for his being in the military.


That was part of it, but it may have just amounted to some cruel teasing or at worst a hazing if Cutshaw had played along instead of intentionally trying to ignore them and making sarcastic remarks.

I think Kane was a disappointing protagonist all around. His pacifism in the bar resulted in even worse physical and psychological damage being inflicted on Cutshaw. Yeah, Kane didn't want to unleash his ultra-violent rage and kill everybody, I get that, but since it was inevitable, he might as well have raged out a lot sooner! That would have actually been merciful, in a sick way! Just my opinion.


Well, in hindsight it was inevitable, but Kane had every reason to think that he could talk his way out of it. Bar thugs are usually mostly talk, he didn't count on the gang being as violent as they were.

It was a painful, drawn-out part of the movie to watch and maybe I just didn't understand everything about Kane as it is. But I ain't in a hurry to see this film again.


Yes, but the drawn out and painful aspect makes the moment where Kane comes around and dispatches the bikers all the more satisfying. The broken glass scene is still one of my favorite fight scenes in any film.

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I wanted to like the film better than I did. I can really get behind a lot of the themes it presented. Spirituality and the way it relates to the coldness of space, the need to believe in human decency, and what it means to be insane--that's all interesting stuff!


I enjoyed this film, although some of the slapstick silliness was over the top and out of place. There are better ways to show mental illness (or partially faked mental illness) than having a character show up in an office wearing flippers and a snorkel.

If you overlook that, you're left with a very thoughtful and interesting film regardless of your religious beliefs or lack thereof.

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Surely the point of the film is the mental illness is totally faked not even partially.

Like Hamlet the inmates are pretending to be insane to stop themselves from going insane.

Kane is pretending to be sane to try and become sane.

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"I think Kane was a disappointing protagonist all around. His pacifism in the bar resulted in even worse physical and psychological damage being inflicted on Cutshaw. Yeah, Kane didn't want to unleash his ultra-violent rage and kill everybody, I get that, but since it was inevitable, he might as well have raged out a lot sooner! That would have actually been merciful, in a sick way! Just my opinion."

Yeah, I get that, but I think it was meant to be protracted because his "Killer Kane" personal was so deeply buried that despite all the humiliation and degradation Kane suffered from the bikers personally, the Killer Kane didn't return until he saw Cutsaw being being abused by having the biker, played by Richard Lynch, performing a sex act on Cutshaw.

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They way I saw it was that Kane was accepting the treatment to help save Cutshaw. At the time Kane didn't know he was Killer Kane anyway and it was only by witnessing that treatment of Cutshaw that he finally snapped. I also thought he may have felt that he deserved to lick the beer off the floor for the things he did in Vietnam and maybe subconsciously it was part of his way of making amends.

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My 'take', was that Kane (even when pushed around himself) hoped that the bikers would ease off (of course, the more he complied, the more it angered them....making each successive taunt nastier and nastier) I think (in a slightly masochistic way) Kane's compliance with the Bikers taunting, pushing and shoving, validated his statement to Cutshaw, that human decency (i.e, his own) does exist. He was willing to take all the humiliation himself....Of course, the bikers mistook his 'kindness' as a weakness and took it too far (i.e, raping Cutshaw) and then Killer Kane snapped into action.

I think this is a remarkable movie.



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