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Heaven's Gate vs. John Carter


Heard that Rich Ross has stepped down as Disney chairman after going through the
$200 mil mess that was John Carter..........how you rate that fiasco with that
of Cimino's misadventures with this one that helped sealed UA's downfall???

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John Carter is expected to lose more money than Heaven's Gate after adjusting for inflation. Another recent Disney release, Mars Needs Moms, also lost more money than Heaven's Gate.

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In both cases, studio incompetence was a bigger problem than out-of-control auteurs. A bigger budget than should have ever been allocated. A ridiculous line of thinking that mistakes giving "creative freedom" to a director with "catering to every delusional whim" (therefore making it easier to argue taking away those freedom). A completely anemic and misguided marketing campaign and release.

And in both cases, the movie deserved a lot better. John Carter isn't a masterpiece - it doesn't have that special something to differentiate it from the general glut of would-be sci-fi blockbusters - but in a world where computer-generated idiocies like Pirates of the Caribbean and Transformers are considered tent-pole successes, there's no reason a film this reasonably well-made shouldn't have been able to carry a franchise.

In both cases, critics were ready to pile on the film before it was even released, creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.

And in both cases, the losses are greatly exaggerated. The film's made $300 million worldwide, and Disney's still rolling in enough cash that this shouldn't be more than a blip. If it is, someone's cooking the books over there.

The fact is that movies like John Carter are still considered the bread-and-butter all-ages crowd-pleasing entertainments that corporate conglomerate force the studios to make. They'll probably think twice before giving someone too much "freedom", they'll probably stay away from movies with Mars (if the awful-looking, unnecessary Total Recall flops, believe me, that's what they'll blame, not the lack of originality), but this isn't going to change much... this isn't the 1970s, where the studios were just itching for an excuse to raze the entire business.

It's going to take a lot more flops than this, at a lot more studios than Disney, for Hollywood to ever reconsider the outdated fundamentals of the business they've held dear since the 80s.

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