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No black gay people in Crusing?


Anybody noticed, that in the scenes from gay clubs are almost no black guys? Ok, you can spot some black dudes here and there in the movie, but in the majority of the hard gay action are white guys.

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As far as I know, most of the extras were generally actual patrons of s&m gay clubs. With that in mind, since I am not American, nor gay and wasn't even around in 1980, I can only theorize that those kind of clubs were mostly white joints. Actually, if I am not mistaken, you can't see hispanics either.

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That is correct. I'm sure Billy Friedkin's cameras picked up whatever patrons showed up and most of them happened to be white.

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And ????

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Ugh, another one of these threads. What is your point? Not ever movie has to have a cast that confirms to affirmative action quotas or census-based demographic distributions of ethnicity or race.

Nearly all of the men in the bar scenes were actually patrons of the leather sex clubs. Friedkin wanted it as authentic as possible so he simply used the regulars who consented to be filmed - that was pretty gutsy at the time for both the filmmakers and the men who were essentially outing themselves as not only gay but into very extreme sex. I doubt Friedkin weeded out the blacks or shoved them to the back. It is not like he put out a casting call for light-skinned only extras.

Rest assured, there are plenty of black gay people into BDSM. I can point to dozens of websites that show openly-active black people in the community. But these are different times under different circumstances. If the blacks in Cruising didn't want to be in the foreground sex, it was their choice.

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Blacks weren't allowed to be gay back then.

Swing away, Merrill....Merrill, swing away...

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Well, given the exploitation manner that the film deals with sexual orientation and human sexuality in general, I not surprised if the film wasn't showing much of a multi-culture community.

Now, I have heard - cannot comment personally - that in the large cities some gay bars tended to only attract men or women or only middle-class professionals or only blue collar workers.etc.

Like, I have heard that people of color were sometimes 'discouraged' from certain bars or nightclubs (note that at least one of the bars in the film operated as a private club). Granted, I hear that about some straight bars too.


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lol

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I know it's several years later but I just saw this post and felt I needed to respond. Many people don't know that for a significant portion of the 20th century a large number of gay clubs and night spots (in fact, a large proportion of these types of places in general) were "Members Only" which was known to be code for "Whites Only". Clubs and night spots in New York were no exception. There were allowances, of course, but more often than not, if a person or persons of color were admitted, it was usually as a guest of a member or sporadically at first then, as time went on, more frequently through granted membership. It wasn't until the mid to late seventies when integration began to occur at an accelerated pace that many but not all clubs began to relax or change their policies. Having said that, the film is pretty accurate in its representation of ethnicities in those clubs with regards to their proportions given the time frame in which it set.

A broader example of this type of historical discrimination would be the enactment of New York's cabaret laws (still in effect) which prohibit dancing in bars, clubs, etc. by groups of 3 or more people without the establishment having a cabaret license. These laws were put into effect to discourage Blacks and other minorities, mainly from Harlem and the Bronx, from coming downtown to the jazz clubs, where Blacks performed, and interacting socially with white patrons, women in particular.

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To clue in the inexperienced: Being a gay man who was very much around during the time and the places where the movie was filmed, there were (and are) plenty of Latino and African-American guys who were into that particular scene. PLENTY of them. So I hope that wraps up a few of the somewhat ludicrous suggestions that were left on this thread. Perhaps there were none in Freidkin's movie (I've never seen it in its entirety) but in real life, trust me, they've always been visible in the leather/S&M community. Why they're excluded in his movie you'd have to ask Friedkin.

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Yea, I'll bet you were "very much around". LOL

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"And I'm here!!!!!"

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Why yes, yes you are! :-)

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It's possible a lot of them just didn't want to be in the film, but who knows.

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That's what I think too because the movie was actually loosely based on the 'salt and pepper' killers they said in the DVD extras. One was black and one was white. Maybe no black person wanted to be in it.

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Many people don't know that for a significant portion of the 20th century a large number of gay clubs and night spots (in fact, a large proportion of these types of places in general) were "Members Only" which was known to be code for "Whites Only". Clubs and night spots in New York were no exception.


Gross misinformation of the most depraved sort.

The Leather scene was and remains a place for men to come, without judgement of who they are, and act out their self identity. Men in this scene come in all different colors, shapes, sizes, et al. The men of the Leather community share the common self identification to Leather wear, the kink acts depicted in the film, freedom to be who they are sexually, and pretty much all of the above in most cases.

Unlike gay clubs today, which cater to specific groups (no kidding, there are clubs in WeHo which are majority Asians, Latinos) none of them evade African Americans. Never have.

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Really? So, just how old or brown skinned are you? I was there and experienced it first hand along with others, ofttimes to the chagrin of white friends who might be with us. Were you? I can't tell you how many times, when there were noticeable numbers of brown skinned faces in the line, a club would suddenly become "too full" to let more people in. Then, while we waited and watched from across the street or parking lot or wherever, as the line "normalized", it would suddenly start moving again. Coincidence? I don't think so. And this was in the 70's and wasn't confined to New York but occurred often enough in New Jersey, Connecticut and Pennsylvania, where we also did a lot of clubbing. Are you suggesting discrimination was only practiced, historically, by heterosexuals? Again, I don't think so. I didn't say it was a prevalent practice by all clubs all of the time but don't be insulting by asserting gay life, whatever its particulars, has always been a "come one, come all" affair.

As for your comment about Asians and Latinos (I might as well include African Americans (saddled with yet another insulting moniker but that's a wholly different conversation)), they simply opened their own clubs in their own neighborhoods, whenever they were able. They might not have welcomed whites with open arms but they didn't come up with "reasons" not to admit them.

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I never thought of that

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At that time most of the black gay men were not leather guys. That has changed, but back in 1980 a lot of gay black men were more into the disco/club scene.

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