MovieChat Forums > Altered States (1980) Discussion > Disagree with the ending SPOILER

Disagree with the ending SPOILER


I think this movie approached greatness at several points and then took a step or two back. In the end we are supposed to believe that love is the only way to face the terrible lonliness of being. But throughout the film it seems very clear that William Hurt is not in love with his wife. I thought it was going to much higher plain but instead we have them hug on the floor, change back to normal and the credits roll. It just seemed really trite and Hollywood for such an innovative and alternative film.

My other criticism is that we don't get the film from soley William Hurt's perspective. They try to play on whether or not the transformation is really happening but by showing everyone else's perspective of the events, the reality is never in question. We barely get to see what William Hurt experiences on his trips but I know the budget and technology come into play there.

Also the Charles Haid character was one of the most poorly conceived, written, and acted characters I've ever seen. All of sudden they just decide to add the a**hole hayseed doctor who speaks like a truck driver but is supposedly the most brilliant physician at Harvard. I don't know about you but I was enjoying myself with the Mexican Indians in ACT I then we get stuck with this jerkoff in ACT II who basically just doesn't want to know anything about the experiment.

reply

what bugged me was that the trnasformations wasnt explained well. is suppose to be a strange split in time and space bringing forth an alternate state? was he suppose to become the first human again? and if so. why? there is no point to that?

what also bugged me a bit was that all this came from a dumb mushroom whh i could buy from my local dealer. what made that mushroom specal? surely it cant be because of him which made the mushroom dfferent so this could all happen?

reply

He used the mushrooms while in the derprivation tank. Have you ever been in a deprivation tank? I have, its quite an experience. Now, mix that with a mushroom and I could see this stuff actually happening, haha.

reply

Yes you could go down to your local college campus and buy a mushroom or LSD and lay in a tank, but after you do I want to hear you say so whats the big deal. The tak it self starts to get to you about 30 minutes in combine that with the dirty in your own skin feeling of mushrooms... shudder. In fact just eat the mushrooms and watch the movie then talk trash. That goat with the 12 eyes is more than weird then.

reply

[deleted]

[deleted]

[deleted]

A lot of this movie didn't make perfect sense, but it's kind of a far out sci-fi movie, so that is usually the case with the genre. I know what you are saying, but it didn't bother me that much.

reply

[deleted]

[deleted]

[deleted]

[deleted]

"the allmighty ultimate truth is nonsense and making sense out of nonsense is impossible"

why do I get the feeling David St.Hubbins or Nigel said this..

reply

[deleted]

Agree wholeheartedly, Crom. As I witnessed the ultimate horror that was the ending of this movie, I realized I'd completely misread the events leading up to it, owing to my naive belief that this was something other than one more norm-ossifying piece of Hollywood propaganda. They might as well have put a disclaimer at the end saying "Don't mess around with philosophy and drugs and such nonsense, all you need is a wife and a family". This was obviously meant as a "learning experience" for people like me, as I found myself identifying deeply with Eddie Jessup's existential wondering, although I did find his "scientific" motivation a little too prominent and his actual sense of wonderment too downplayed. In hindsight, I realize this is because there was no real sense of wonderment in Eddie other than what I read into him, he was simply meant as an example of a "Faust Freak", as his wife put it, an immature scientist delving into places better left undelved, and finally coming to understand that finding the meaning of human existence has nothing to do with exploration of the psyche.

What sort of judgment is that on the Indians (Hinchis?) portrayed in the movie? "Oh, no, sorry, you've got it all wrong, why don't you give up this shamanistic mumbo-jumbo you've been wasting your time on for the last couple of thousand years (science proves that the ultimate truth is that there is no ultimate truth except love, you see!) and come live the only way all humans are meant to!" This is a revolting kind of cultural imperialism, proclaiming the solemn truth of personal, romantic love as the point of human existence, not leaving any room for debate or reflection on the issue. I found myself searching the dvd-cover for a Disney logo. One has to wonder what it is with this culture that makes it so utterly solipsistic and sure of its own excellence.

Another poster commented that the expression of love between two people is the greatest expression of the interconnectedness of all life. Well, I guess that's a possibility, from a human point of view, but I don't think it's the only one, even if I do sympathize with the idea that all life is somehow part of a greater whole (albeit without actually having experienced this as a "truth" myself). "Altered states" certainly didn't convince me of any such fact.

All the more infuriating that the story does include some truly touching moments, e.g. the despairing monologue of Emily Jessup near the end, as she realizes the possibility that her love for Eddie will remain unrequited. And let's not forget the obvious influence the "banging your fist into the wall until you become human again" scene must have had on the makers of a-ha's "Take on me" music video!

reply

[deleted]

Well;...I saw this in it's first run in 1980,...while 'HIGH' on Mushroom's myself. Perhap's that is the only true way to watch this film to fully appreciate it. I went back to see it at the theater three more times. Once more 'under the influence' and twice fairly straight. And as simple as it is
I believe that True Love was/is meant to be the only Truth that we Human's need. As one poster has said that connection, that spiritual tie that bond's us all. Like the Beatles sang 'All You Need Is Love'. And remember folk's this was made by Ken Russell. The same rogue that gave us Tommy,...the WHO Opera based film. I think it work's on all level's but is most def realized on a 'Shroom' High. I loved it 26 years ago, and recently taped it off Cinemax and have decided to try and find the best DVD version there is out there of this flick. As for Charles Haids performance, I remember alot of Oscar buzz at the time. He wasn't a Hayseed,...merely an arrogant PHD with a 'Tude'. A real gripping movie that had me 'looking at my arms for bulges' while under the influence. Ha! Rock On!

The Smoker You Drink, The Player You Get!

reply