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Shouldn't It Be 'Milner Was Killed By a Drunk Driver in January 1965?'


Apparently, John Milner's fate takes place at the very end of MAG. As both cars are coming towards each other on the up-and-down road, both descend into an unseen valley in the road and either the cars do not emerge because of the fatal accident, or the frame freezes at the last instant before the crash occurs. But I've never understood why his death dated December 1964. The stroke of midnight occurs in all of the other time frames- Terry, Debbie, and Steve and Laurie are all singing "Aud Lang Syne" Heraing their voice over as Milner drives his last ride says to me that it is January 1965 in his time reality.

If no one survived that crash they would not know if it occurred in December or January. I imagine John's friends and family would have said "we think it happened some time around midnight." But we know for sure when it happened. So why is it listed as December 1964?

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I like your answer. By the way, I think there was a time when Lucas wrote the story as him dying in May 1964 or something. I think I saw it in the book once. I'm really not sure about this, though.

It's very interesting to see the piecing together of evidence after a fatal crash. I'm seeing this right now with the investigation of the Washington, DC Metrorail crash (I live in the Metro area) that occured a few days ago. The story that haunts me is one I saw in the paper. A 14-year old girl was sitting next to a woman, one of the nine people killed. When the crash occured, debris came raining down and speared the woman through the chest. She kept saying, "I think I'm dying," and then died right in front of the 14-year old. I wasn't even there but that scene is so chilling. I feel so sorry for that kid, having to live with that unforgetable, horrible memory.

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Technically you're right, Milner could have died Jan. 1 1965. BUT since MAG already establsihed
the 4 different stories a year apart on New Year's Eve, made sense to keep his death happening in '64.

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I think kc171's reply nailed it. We know he actually died just after midnight 01/01/1965... but those who investigated the crash determined it happened before New Year's Day.

And something I've never, ever thought of- the lack of understanding of when this crash really occurred could mean that the drunk driver was killed, too.

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It's possible that the drunk driver was killed or survived, left the scene of the accident and was never caught.

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In the book related to this movie, Budda (carhop from Mel's) and Suzanne Somers character encountered Milner's car (she was drunk), he swerved and went over a cliff.

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If you look closely while Auld Lang Syne is being sung, the sun is going down in the back window of Milner's car. It's still December 31 1964.

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Actually, I think it's just poor, inconsistent, low-budget filmmaking all the way around. Not just about singing "Aud Lang Syne" at the end, either.

I truly love AG and MAG. But I have to call it what it is.

When Milner wins his last race to win the championship, the sun is very high in the sky. Like 1-4 PM. Then, in the next to last scene, the time of day appears very late... 10 or 11 PM. So what did everybody do for 6-9 hours?

Teensa tells John Eva is not available to spend time with him because of a dinner date with her parents. Dinner at midnight? Maybe, for a New Year's party... that would make a lot of sense. But when he says to her on 12/31/64 that he wants to watch the Rose Bowl with her on 1/1/65, Teensa says no, because of the dinner. Just how long was that dinner, anyway? Why would she not be available for the game?

The major inconsistency about the very end of the movie was the dusk/sunset (and it is also dusk as Terry goes AWOL in Vietnam). It is totally dark in the previous 1964 scene. It is only dusk in the last '64 scene as he drives down the road. Whatever the movie does, it leaves you with the impression that the all four New Year's celebrations are occurring at the exact same time, regardless of the sun's position.

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Nah. John offers to take Eva to dinner but Teensa reminds him that they're supposed to have dinner with her parents. So John then offers to take her to the Rose Bowl game the following day instead, to which she agrees and they part ways. Keep in mind that the movie takes place in late December/early January, meaning that it's still winter. It could be eight or nine and it would still be dark outside. I guess we're just left to assume that the events in each segment don't take place at the exact same time with the exception of the Auld Lang Syne scene, which is probably the best explanation there is to offer.

What I don't get is, if Terry went to Europe like he said, why hasn't he resurfaced by 1967? You'd think that he would have at least sent his friends a postcard or a letter confirming that he was alive and well. Are we just to assume that he died in the jungles of Vietnam? That's fvcking dark! And better still, if he was just going to die anyways, why bother faking his death when the more logical thing to do would be to just kill his self and get it over with? That's a loose end I really wish they had tied up.

To the world you may just be somebody, but to somebody you may just be the world.

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<<Keep in mind that the movie takes place in late December/early January, meaning that it's still winter. It could be eight or nine and it would still be dark outside. I guess we're just left to assume that the events in each segment don't take place at the exact same time with the exception of the Auld Lang Syne scene, which is probably the best explanation there is to offer.>>

Of course in winter it could be five or six and be dark outside (at least where I live it is). Anyway, I've always understood that in the final scene, events are happening to the characters at the same time moment as their respective New Year begins and everyone is singing Aud Lang Syne (except for John, who is "too cool" to sing). Anyway, if that is true, John in fact DOES die in January 1965. However, the movie does betray itself: as you mention, it should definitely have been dark in the California valley where John was (really anywhere) at midnight, but the movie shows John driving away from the sunset (look in the rear window of his car). Furthermore, as he drives down the hilly, dipping road approaching his tragic fate, it is dusk. It is also dusk when Terry is shown deserting in Vietnam. But if he's supposed to be at the exact same moment as the rest, that's impossible because Vietnam is 15 hours ahead of California. When it's 12:01 AM in California, it's 3:01 PM in Vietnam. As far as him "resurfacing" later in the 1960s, good luck with that. Who knows where he ends up, walking across a continent you've never been on before.

I love the American Grafitti movie series and I've gotten some great responses to this question. But honestly, I finally realize the whole thing comes down to bad editing and poor continuity of a low-budget movie.

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That's what happens when inexperienced filmmakers attempt day-for night shots. But I can look past the technical shortcomings in the movie. What puzzles me are all the questions that are just left unanswered. It's one thing to make a sequel that's completely unnecessary, but to not even tie up all the loose ends or offer any resolution whatsoever? That boggles the mind.

To the world you may just be somebody, but to somebody you may just be the world.

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Terry could never have contacted anybody because he goes from declared dead and free to alive and a deserter.

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I guess it's the official record. Like Toad was listed as MIA on the book but actually escaped from the war. Milner's death was recorded as December 1964 because nobody knows for sure.

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