Did Jonathan Still Love Lucy
After Count Dracula Was Destroyed On Top Of The Ship
shareWell, I suppose he wouldn't have gone after if he didn't love her, but I never have believed that Jonathan did love her in the first place. I saw no evidence of it. He had no respect for her. It seemed to me that all Jonathan wanted was someone to suck face with. The way he treated her was more like property than a mature emotional relationship. He was fast to get jealous and overly possessive.
Do you think he still loved her? Or did he ever actually love her?
I think that he loved her. However, in a different way than Dracula.
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I didn't see any other women other than the crazies, the locals, and Mina...so I think Lucy was the best choice for Harker. I don't think that he loved her in the first place personally...after Dracula though, I doubt that he would love her because she had been "spoiled" by a vampire.
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I don't think so. The two actors do a good job conveying this with subtle but noticeable body language: Lucy reaches up for Jonathan's arm as Dracula is dying above them, and he shrugs her off and almost shudders. For a man who risked his life to save her just moments earlier, I think the reaction is very telling and isn't just the result of exhaustion after their struggle (and, if Dracula had gotten his full rest, Jonathan would have gotten the Renfield neck twist, making such musings a moot point). I think Jonathan realizes she has been defiled by Dracula and as such can never be truly his again. It also makes Lucy's subtle smile at the end as the cape flutters away make more sense.
And, like a lot of others, I'm not sure he actually loved her anyway. Though Lucy makes quite a statement about a woman's role in the changing society of the '20s--"we are not chattel!"--it's somewhat ironic that Jonathan treats her as such and she just seems content to let him...until Dracula arrives and upsets the whole relationship dynamic. The conversation after Mina's funeral, when Jonathan is trying to persuade her to go to London with him (so that she will be unable to accept Dracula's dinner invitation) is very telling: He wants her to go so she will be able to "laugh" and "be happy", Lucy's insistence that she doesn't want to be happy right now, Jonathan's determination to return as soon as his business in London is done (again, so that he can cut off any relationship with Dracula at its roots by returning to monopolize her), Lucy's rebuff ("You needn't bother, I can manage") followed by Jonathan's challenging reply ("Can you?")...this is not a couple who are in love. This is a couple who were perhaps engaged out of convenience (Lucy herself wants to be a solicitor), or who let a "crush" turn into a relationship only to realize too late that at least one of them has already moved on.
I think what he felt for her passed as love, in those days anyway. Hey, we get along all right, you're a hard worker, respectable, have a good reputation, and you're reasonably attractive. I guess you'll do.
(Actually, I know people who feel that way, today.)
I do think they cared for one another but I never got a good sense of chemistry between the couple. It was not a passionate love match -- as it was with she and Dracula.
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I believe that Johnathan loved her, but as others have said, in a different way. I felt that his love was a more insecure one that he wasn't as charming and mysterious as Dracula, and I think he felt threatened honestly, by Dracula. I think that Lucy was drawn to Dracula and was taken in by his magnetism and allure. I know I was! haha, but I kind of think it was infatuation really the way Lucy felt about Count Dracula, I don't know how it became love over that one dinner alone?
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I think Jonathan really did love Lucy. Remember when she was in the cell, he said basically that he would die for her and was willing to be in her arms as they kissed. By pulling away from her, he was awed in what was happening to Dracula as he was exposed to the sun which was something that he had not seen for 400 years. I would have wanted to see what was happening to Dracula as he was exposed. Weren't you? Also, since at the time that this was going on (1897), men and women were more proper during the reign of Queen Victoria.
shareThis movie version was set in about 1913, but women were still pretty much chattel. I think Jonathan loved her in his own, bland way -- nothing like the devotion that Jonathan and Mina have towards each other in the book (in the book, it's Mina who is J's fiancee, not Lucy, and they get married during the course of the narrative too).
One thing, though, that hasn't been brought up in this thread -- would Jonathan still marry Lucy after Dracula was gone? I mean, she was no longer a virgin, which Dracula made a point of telling J. to his face ("She is already mine" -- 'mine' meaning hey, we did the deed). I don't think this dishrag version of Jonathan would marry someone who'd had sex with a vampire, do you?
It was victorian era england! i think those two were as hot and steamy for eachother as you got then/there.
shareIt's hard to say. The trouble was that Trevor Eve was such a drip as Harker and he and Kate Nelligan has such little chemistry together.
When you think of it, Dracula's undoing was feeding on Mina. That's what brought Van Helsing into the picture. If he hadn't done that, he could have just kept on with his seduction of Lucy and nobody would have thought of him as anything else than some continental cad who goes after the women as soon as he's unpacked.
With all due respect, the introduction of that circa 1910-style automobile places the time period of the movie well out of the Victorian Era, which ended in 1901 upon the death of the monarch. After that, we enter the Edwardian Era, which seems more fitting the costumes and attitudes seen in the film.
shareThats absoultley correct, I agree the film is set in the Edwardian era. Dracula was writen in 1897, and we refer to the ridged, frigid and uptight behavior of these people as Victorian era morays, which I was using to describe behavior and not the Mise-en-Scene.
shareYes. He never stopped loving her, that's why he went after her. He knows she was under Dracula's spell. Dracula even bragged to him how he has had many brides over the centuries. Lucy was just the latest victim. Jonathan had to save her.
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