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Why did the Army want Kurtz killed so badly?


He was just running his little cult somewhere in the jungle, right? Was he really an imminent danger to anyone or anything beyond his little clubhouse in the jungle? They never really offered a rationale as to why it was so important to send a series of men to try to kill him. Clearly he inspired discussions at upper echelons of government about what to do about him. I guess I am just wondering why his existence was so threatening to the government, and threatening to the point of spending great expense to kill him.

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Why did they want him dead so badly? I think it’s the potential for bad publicity.

Kurtz was a highly gifted, honorable soldier who went mad, presumably from the horrors of war. That the war could throw this gifted person so far down means the war was extremely traumatizing, which could spur public backlash if word even got out.

Plus, Kurtz was a soldier who went AWOL and was commanding his own army without supervision or rules; he even had certain government people killed. The U.S Army will look bad if the public ever realizes that one of their soldiers could run away and cause all that trouble; how could the military organization let that happen? Didn’t they have any checks on the troops ability to go rogue?

Related to that last point, that Kurtz was operating without supervision, is that they can’t ensure that Kurtz won’t violate international treaties, or support the enemy, or just otherwise commit atrocities (which he did). Indeed, Kurtz was operating in Cambodia, an area that was supposed to be off-limits in the war. The U.S. would have a ton of negative press if people found out.



Now that said — as the viewer watches the film, Kurtz is hardly the most offensive thing that appears in the film. Hence, I do agree that Martin Sheen’s mission doesn’t feel worth it to the viewer, which makes your question valid.

For example, the movie shows that Robert Duvall’s character is equally as insane and violent as Kurtz is (maybe more), yet they don’t make any trouble over Duvall’s character the way they do over Kurtz. There’s also the scene where they murder the family on the boat when the girl runs for the puppy. Or the entire scene involving the black soldiers on the bridge, with no commanding officer.

I think that that was the point, highlighting the lack of sense in the war. They go through all that trouble for Kurtz while ignoring the other stuff that worse or equally bad.

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That's a good question. Aside from the embarrassment to the
country .... like the stupid and murderous Viet Nam war as not
enough disgrace to America, maybe he had secrets or could have
been planning some kind of operation.

I think the movie might have been better if they had fleshed that
out and actually had a point. Maybe if they ever remake this
movie the will do that.

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They explain it quite well in the theatrical cut.

Kurtz killed double agents who tried to undermine his own personal-built army (at the behest of the U.S., military).

It's the same reason why in the Metal Gear series the U.S., military wanted Big Boss assassinated (who was based on Kurtz, as a legendary soldier who amassed an "army with no nation").

Kurtz -- as others mentioned -- became extremely dangerous. Because he had soldiers will to fight and die for his ideals, not the U.S., military's ideals. Therefore he was viewed as a potential enemy of the state, especially since he was no longer taking orders, unwilling to come in, and was not responding to their communications.

As others also mentioned, the press were well aware of Kurtz' victories, as Williard reads about Kurtz' unconventional methods that secured him some of the only notable victories in Vietnam, much to the chagrin of the top brass and the delight of the media. He was not only dangerous, and had an army of his own (made up both of disenfranchised American soldiers and local Vietcong rebels) but he was also growing his power and becoming more... deranged in his methods (slaughtering and mutilating his potential "enemies" in grotesque and aberrant ways).

But his biggest crime was that he was effective.

An effective and brilliant man with an army is the biggest black mark on the face of the U.S., military there is. It undermines everything that the institution stands for, and shows that one who can't be controlled or corralled could dismantle the machine.

From that perspective, what other options did the top brass have in dealing with Kurtz without it turning into a media circus the likes of which would only add negative fuel to a fire from those who already had anti-war sentiments?

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That's an interesting post.

> But his biggest crime was that he was effective.

The subtext at that time in Vietnam was that the US could have won but the government tied the military's hand behind their backs. That is a big problem for me looking back on this.

It would have been totally wrong for the US military to have won in Vietnam. It was wrong for the US to be there in the first place. There still has not really been an understanding of the history of Vietnam, or Korea, or Iraq, and now we have a fresh new BS war that we are supporting - again on the credit card when the Republicans are saying the deficit is so bad that they are not going to raise the debt limit, or deal with any of this realistically.

The government's domestic policies have been all about squeezing American workers and making their lives and their families' lives miserable, while they finance these adventures overseas with an Army that is spread out all over the world forcing our way on most other countries in the Western world.

Nothing is adding up and to keep people from seeing that we have massive lying and propaganda in our media, underinvestment in the public sector and a political system where no one can get elected unless they are personally hugely wealthy or puppeting for the interests of an elite few.

What we see day to day is a massive reality show or lies and facades - and this started mostly at the time of Vietnam, and then afterward when it got focused with Ronald Reagan.

Even the absurdist movie Apocalypse Now! skirted the whole issue of the war to make it a sexy reality show. But at that time they could not hide the body bags. Now there are no body bags and we do not see what is really happening in Ukraine - but we know our government is lying to us about virtually everything, so the chances are in the high 90% that we are being lied to again.

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I couldn't agree more with your post... and in many ways, I have to refrain from delving deeper into the subject lest emotion and anger override sound judgment, but this here...

the chances are in the high 90% that we are being lied to again.


This is 100% the truth. Nothing that they've told us about this billions-of-dollar war is the truth, and we're paying the price for their wilful malice.

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Thanks. I think the lying is massive in the US. I think most of what we now see is lies, and especially our elections. Why should we have to live like this? What is the reason we have to be lied to and manipulated like this. It can only be for the power and profit of people too criminal and evil to be able to put their vision in front of America and have us vote for it or against it.

Most Americans do not want perpetual war, or a dog-eat-dog society or economy. It is not human, it is a slave's existence.

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In this video lecture from Cambridge University, the famous Conservative Peter Hitchens, brother of Christopher Hitches explains his evolution from Imperialist to anti-Imperialist and his stand on the war on Ukraine, as usual, with articulate erudition.

Peter Hitchens | This House Believes Western Interventionism Has Been a Force For Good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc2xNeCaOWo

One of the things he circles in on is the Arab Spring in Egypt, and how when given democracy Egyptians voted in the Muslim Brotherhood, to which the West got the military to slaughter so many - and none of it was reported on in the Western Media. Similar story in Afghanistan.

While I dont agree with Hitchens on many things, he is usually good at making the points that he gets right

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Oh man, don't get me started on America's destabilization of other countries, especially that sickening act of what they did in Iraq and Afghanistan. What they did directly caused the massacre of countless Christians over there. Only way I found out was because one of my neighbours was a Iraqi refugee, displaced after the Muslim extremists began systematically beheading the Christians in the region. He was temporarily moved around out of the country after claiming refugee status.

Just think about that -- that one day you're watching TV, thinking about when you should fill up the car's tank, and your kid's football game on the weekend, and a few months later you have to flee because your friends and family are being quartered, beheaded, and lynched and burned in the streets all because of an illegal invasion?

That sort of thing is just... ugh.

Thanks for the Hitchens' video, though, I'm going to check it out when I get some time.

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That is an interesting story about Iraq. We have done that kind of thing time and time again. The awakening for me started when I read about South and Central America. Specifically Chile, and the story of the great musician Victor Jara who was tortured and executed by the military junta.

Hitchens is a character. He's too conservative for me in the main, but he is surprising in the depth of his thought on many issues, including Ukraine.

The thing that gets me is that we have played with tens of thousands of lives in Ukraine for a decade just to aggravate Putin. Would Ukrainians really have voted for that if they knew back in 2008 or 2014? Zelensky lied to them about everything to get elected.

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They only sent one guy and a boat after him so my guess is he was not a high priority.

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That was not just any guy ... that guy was Martin Sheen.

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They wanted him dead because he murdered a bunch of people if I recall correctly?

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