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So there are idiots which really are too dumb for that piece of art

posted 6 years ago by Quint (957)
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Dear idiots,

you really get what you deserve. The cinema is today at its lowest point since the 1950s. And I have to agree with one of the former threads that this isnt the fault of greedy studios. Its the fault of complete idiots which arent able to realize art when it is shot through their head (im sure that most of the idiots wont get the context to the movie)!

This was an amazing movie with so many scenes to analyze and so many symbolism that its indeed unbelievable boring for complete idiots. And yes, you are idiots. I stop discussing with such idiots and waste my time with such idiots. And yes, even if its not PC today to call idiots idiots, I still call you civilicatin losers with the one and only correct term: idiots! At least you deserve a little bit of honesty when you have to walk through your life without a single brain cell!

[–] brux (14736) 6 years ago

idito ??

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

I'm sorry. I don't speak English, only Vietnamese with a little bit of Russian Roulette. What is an 'idiot"?

[–] MissMargoChanning (6630) 6 years ago

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Why are you calling people idiots???
What is the problem here? There may be people who do not care for this film. There may be Vets who don't agree with this.
I have a brother who was lucky enough to come back from that "war". HELL is what he called it!
This is not an accurate depiction, but this is a damned fine story about friends who lived and loved each other.

My brother didn't see it that way..... many do not.
Stop calling people IDIOTS!

[–] Quint (957) 6 years ago

Cause they are idiots! They tell that the beginning is too slow. Its the finest art of celebration of love and life possible showing ordinary people (without nay stupid gloriffication as löater Vietnam movies did. Humans are humans. With all their wonders and all their weakness (just showing the weaknesses like todays teenangst movies are doing is a stupid and cheap as showing ordinry people as wonder boys). And thats also something which was unsual even at the late 80s. Showing real people. There were some increidble stupid question if Meryl Streep should look special in this movie. No, cause she is an ordinary woman! Thats a movie about humans. How they live, how they love and how they became destroyed by war.

And noone gives a fuck about reality. This is neither a documentary nor was reality ever something elsse then a dumb excuse for missing creativity when it comes to movies!

So yes, thos people are idiots. And they got what they deserve. The most braindead movies in movie history since the 1950s.

[–] MissMargoChanning (6630) 6 years ago

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Ok... let's cut through the crap. I get it.
You didn't like the film.
All good. Not for everyone.
Most vets don't like it either.

[–] bigbadwolf666 (4707) 6 years ago

I like it. It's a great film.

It's an great american film.

I dont like most vets anyway.

[–] bigbadwolf666 (4707) 6 years ago

Dont know why, I thought it was boring in the beginning. When I saw the vhs cover and the premise. You have to admit have to be pretty mature to understand it. It has a lot go against it. Old, nothing exciting, extremely realistic, actors when they were in their very youth, anti-war themes, good relations, extremely white. Most people cant relate to any of this. Not to mention the dreadful russian rollet. Just happens that its my type of film. I cant say I love it. But I'm definitely a fan. The suicide is hard to watch and makes it unbearable.
When I finally watched it I knew I had watched a masterpiece. Still to fully understand it you have to know about politics and have a mature mind which most dont. So dont expect most to understand such concepts.

[–] Quint (957) 6 years ago

Old is some problem and extremely white? You have to deal with the story and not such empty nonsense!

And it is exciting. It is exciting how they celebrated love and life during the first hour! That was amazing. It didnt showed the main actors as heroes and it didnt showed them as angst loaded (like most dumb movies targeted only to depressed teens and not to adults). They showed their simply and ordinary live. Some were more offensive, other were more quiet. The actors handled their tasks perfect, cause they didnt tried to overact (not acting at all is another problem of recent movies. They call i natural, but in reality it is simply the inability to act and therefor giving the audience something to emphasise).

You knew what will happen and therefor the clear cut from the hunt directly into the horror of war was extremely well done.

And therefor you dont have to know about politics (the Vietnam war was just one of many, many crimes against humanity during the 20th century). You have to know about humans. And indeed you have to be mature. Cause that is a movie for adults. If you like to see a movie to teens. Go and check the last teenangst loaded (some stupid ciritics mismatch with adult movies) wannabe war movie. With heroes or super depressed losers. In other words: Trashy smybols instead of humans!

I dont state that you cant to a good war movies with symbols. That is absolutely possible. Like Platoon, Full Metal Jacket or Born on the fourth of July (as showing as many abstraction and symbols as possible). Or Michael J Foxes acting in Casualties Of War on the other side. He tried to act as usual as the actors in Deer Hunter. The movie overall was a little too flat, but at least they tried.

But doing a war movie like Deer Hunter with all its ordinary destruction .... isnt seen often or at all.

[–] bigbadwolf666 (4707) 6 years ago

I agree with the ordinary destruction which is why it hit home( award nominations) and surprisingly done by so many big time actors. The problem with this type of movie is that it is against america and against capitalism and against brainwashed and because of that not many people will like it and a lot of people will bash it. It does nothing for actors trying to make it big or cash in. So surprisingly it did have that many good actors but of course it had to be back in the day. I thought it was a movie worthy of an oscar, well written, and well acted. Worthy also to be given in history classes and a monument for most of these actors. Obviously though all were good it is crowned by Walken.

[–] TaRaNRoD (1579) 6 years ago

"Worthy also to be given in history classes and a monument for most of these actors. "

I agree. Surprisingly enough, I've done 2 years of movie studying in college and it wasn't even mentioned once in amy of my classes. Shame.

[–] TaRaNRoD (1579) 6 years ago

Honestly, this is extremism on the other side of the spectrum. I love the movie and think is a masterpiece, but no need to insult people who didn't like it.

Your approach is just as toxic and bad than the approach of haters who bash on the movie on every aspect.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Or there are people who see this piece of crap exactly for what it is. The film is a terrible borefest. It doesn't even make sense. But I guess people like yourself will believe a film is good if they are told it is.

[–] charliekelly (1018) 6 years ago

I don't get into the futile business of the "should/shouldn't like argument", since art, and one's reaction to it, is subjective (and should be). That said, what part of it doesn't make sense to you? I've heard people love it or hate it, but I've never heard anyone say that.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Ok, so I understand what the makers wanted me to "get" if that makes sense but at the same time it is a sloppy film in my opinion. I didn't understand why the film is considered to be such a masterpiece and why people think it is so dramatic and brilliant.

Parts of it are boring, the Russian roulette scenes are comedic, none of the characters made me care about them. I could go on and on really.

[–] charliekelly (1018) 6 years ago

So, I guess you meant that people's admiration for it is what doesn't make sense, rather than the plot itself, which I understand. I've seen it twice (maybe a third time) and I've enjoyed it each time, other than finding it a good deal longer than it should have been. There is, no doubt, some filler here and there. It's not one of my all-time favorites or anything. I was just surprised to see someone say that it doesn't make sense, as it's far from a complex plot, but I get what you mean now.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

The plot makes sense but to me it lacks depth. We are just meant to be believe that so and so is like this because it affected him, that they are in Vietnam despite being too old etc etc There are too many expectations to just fill in gaps or take things at face value.

Overall I would say that I just don't "buy it". And that is why in a way the film doesn't make sense because you have to add things in here and there and just believe stuff to make it, make sense. I don't find the plot complex at all actually.

Some bridging scenes between leaving the States and going to 'Nam would have been good too or at least a "6 months later" kind of thing. It's not like he was trying to make a short film.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Have you seen 'Idiots' by Von Trier? Have you ever read Dostoyevsky's 'Idiot'? Stunning pieces both of them!
'The Deer Hunter' will always be on my Top 20 list and I'm not even a vet or a hunter!

[–] imjustasking (162) 5 years ago

They don't get even simple points because they are idiots,I agree.When they were talking about hunting near the beginning Michael says he has preference for killing deer with a humane "one shot".After the war he even goes back & spends alot of money to save & bring his friend home(idiots don't grasp nobility & friendship).At the roulette table while trying to get Nicky to remember the past he mentions "one shot" & smiles thinking he got through to drug-addled Nicky. The unsettling irony is that Nicky took the one shot reference not to their hunting days---but in the context of Russian roulette---then pushes Michael's hand away and shoots HIMSELF---with one shot. That is great tragedy in the tradition of Shakespeare,etc & cannot be appreciated by "idiots". Great movie & obviously many viewers agree( it has a 8.1 rating as I write).