Shout DVD quality?


I recently bought the entire series box. The video quality leaves a LOT to be desired. I have tried it on 2 players and 2 monitors.
Anyone else have issues?

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It's Mary Tyler Moore's fault. MTM went on the cheap. They shot the show on video tape, instead of film, and they didn't use multi track audio. The music was recorded on the same track as the actor's dialog. That's why it took forever to get the show on home video. If they stripped all of the music they couldn't use (until now), all of the dialog would be lost. Taking all those years to sort out the music rights issues, just allowed the cheap video to wash out and fade more with age before being digitized. Video tape is the culprit. Short term, penny pinching thinking strikes again.

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All in the Family was also videotaped. It gives it a look of live television. Of course, All in the Family didn't have music being such a central part of the show.

Actually, quite a few Norman Lear shows were videotaped, and he was the most successful creator/producer in 1970s television.

You can read a discussion of film vs. videotaped shows here:

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-123162.html

^^^some very interesting comments in that thread^^^

I do agree that the MTM Studios seemed to have a real dislike for WKRP. I don't think that Mary or the studio really understood that show. CBS constantly changed the time slot for the show, so that the show somtimes struggled in the ratings, but it developed a strong cult following.

It they had just left the show alone, preferably with a strong lead-in (One Day at a Time, for example), the show would have been a huge success. You get the feeling that they didn't want it to be a success for whatever reason. However, it has been quite successful in syndication.

However, as shown above, it wasn't that unusual to tape a sitcom. It was, however, unusual for MTM studios to do it. Mary's show was beautifully shot on film.

Ironically, my two favorite sitcoms of all time are The Mary Tyler Moore Show and WKRP in Cincinnati! Two shows that were brilliantly written, acted, directed, and produced.

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I do know the difference in video vs film, but still, I have some VHS copies of the broadcast that look a LOT better.

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VHS isn't as bad as people claim it to be. I'm sure they recorded in SP mode (2 hour tape) and although it isn't as good as DVD quality, it is MUCH better than digital HIGH compression crap they put on youtube.

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Picture quality, for me at least, is less important than having the complete episodes with the music intact. It's weird watching older shows on modern televisions anyway. Ever watch MASH on a 50+ inch flat screen 1080p set? It's just "weird." I'm sorry I can't really describe it any better than that. It's just... well "weird." 

I can only conclude I'm paying off karma at a vastly accelerated rate.

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I just got the set and the quality is generally terrible, and not because it was shot on videotape. Shout should have stretched it to at least 4 discs per season because the amount of MPEG compression artefacts is pretty close to bootleg quality. It's very blocky all the way through, and some of the early episodes were very dark. Videotape is not like film in that it doesn't become washed out over time. You're more likely to see flicks and the occasional jitter from videotape, but a proper remastering would have re-EQed the contrast to bring out the detail. Despite most of the music being intact, it doesn't appear they put any effort in the picture quality, then compressed it to oblivion leaving a very blocky picture.

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Well, I also have a set of bootleg DVDs and the Shout! set is a great improvement. Almost all the music is intact. And plus, the episodes are not edited for syndication. I am generally pleased with this set after waiting 20 or more years.



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