Most painful and disturbing scenes?? - Holocaust (1978) Discussion

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[–] ali__ 15 years ago

what i found very shockings so far - i watched now the 2nd episode - was the killing of anna in the 'sanatorium'. its just horrible that the doctor and his nurse just took her to this place and then she was killed within a few seconds. a lovely characters , a young girl. so hard to watch.

but i am happy they made this series and they did it with very good actors and actresses and they showed every 'view' on this topic and they didnt left out the horrible stuff

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[–] homercles12000 15 years ago

watching Berta taken into the gas chambers. I've visited Mauthausen (where these scenes were filmed). its still a gruesome place to see.

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[–] lroy77 14 years ago

It's been over 30 years, but the Jews burning in the synagogue. I forget the actual scene but it's when those 10-13 prisoners were getting executed.

Actually, as a general rule, I refuse to watch ANY "death scene" in any movie or TV show...even when it's supposed to be justified.

It must've been terribly horrific for the real people.

This is why I refuse to watch the DVD. And I'm not even Jewish (don't even KNOW anyone who's Jewish).

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[–] Thusnelda 14 years ago

Deliberately burning innocent people alive in buildings was common practice and official policy of the Allies.

Yet, there are no Hollywood movies about that.

Yours,

Thusnelda

Die Deutsche Passion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8jvmKxu48w

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[–] NoRevisionism 14 years ago

thuSSy wrote:
"Deliberately burning innocent people alive in buildings was common practice and official policy of the Allies.

Yet, there are no Hollywood movies about that."
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Take this discussion back to the "Dresden" message boards thuSSy where I spanked your bottom real good.

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[–] c-huddleston 14 years ago

Not much hope of that, thuSSy avoids anyone who has a direct answer it can't beat.

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[–] NoRevisionism 14 years ago

She's real good with posting youtube videos,revisionist amature historians,wiki articles & pop culture bs to support her theories.

This from a chick who thinks the Nazi's had UFO's & Poland attacked Germany.

Enough said.

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[–] c-huddleston 14 years ago

I've noticed. She'd be good for a laugh if it were not for the fact that some poor b*stards would get sucked in by her crap.

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[–] Thusnelda 14 years ago

Argumentum ad hominem – the weapon of the weak.

Yours,

Thusnelda

Revolt of the Masses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13dgLzmHsnM

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[–] Thusnelda 14 years ago

She's real good with posting youtube videos,revisionist amature historians,wiki articles & pop culture bs to support her theories.

I provided politically correct sources, even main stream media like “Der SPIEGEL” -

in contrast to many others, who just parroted Allied propaganda TV “documentaries”.

This from a chick who thinks the Nazi's had UFO's

Yes, they had. It is only “disputed” if they really worked or how much of the German technology the Allies stole.
Even the “History Channel” reported on the “Reichsflugscheiben” at least twice:

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/10644/Nazi_UFOs_confirmed_by_t he_History_Channel/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BRj0Je8HDA

Even BILD (most popular newspaper in Europe) wrote a few years ago that they built them.
http://www.media-addicted.de/wp-content/uploads/images/gesellschaft/me dien/BILD_hitlerufo.jpg

Right now, the issue of the “P. M. Magazine” of November 2010 is at evey newsstand in BRD describing a Reichsflugscheibe (V7):
http://www.pm-magazin.de/de/heftartikel/artikel_id4574.htm

& Poland attacked Germany.

Yes, Poland did. Just check the sources.

It was Poland that partly mobilized first, it was Poland that fully mobilized and committed so many acts of aggression that Germany legally defended herself.

http://www.kopp-online.com/hintergruende/deutschland/michael-grandt/er ika-steinbach-hat-recht-.html

That the Allied version that Germany explained the war with Poland to her people with a “faked Gleiwitz incident” is a lie, becomes apparent when you read Adolf Hitler’s speech of September 1st, 1939: No “Gleiwitz incident” (faked or real) mentioned.

Enough said.

Not at all, see above.

Yours,

Thusnelda

Revolt of the Masses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13dgLzmHsnM

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[–] NoRevisionism 14 years ago

According to thuSSy everything the Germans bombed was a viable military target & everything the Allies bombed was filled with clergy and school children singing Christmas songs.

No room for reality in her odd little national socialist world.

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[–] Thusnelda 14 years ago

According to thuSSy everything the Germans bombed was a viable military target & everything the Allies bombed was filled with clergy and school children singing Christmas songs.

…in the first place, yes, this is true.

Germany in the first place attacked legal military targets and the Allies in the first place attacked Illegal civilians targets.

That’s undisputed among historians.

You’re trying to deviate attention from this fact by trying to ridiculae it, but this doesn’t change reality.

Yours,

Thusnelda

Berliner Luft
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgKiAb5b2LI

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[–] MistyI 14 years ago

Germany in the first place attacked legal military targets and the Allies in the first place attacked Illegal civilians targets.

That’s undisputed among historians.

How was Wielun a valid legal military target TuSSi? It had no military units there and it was bombed to hell by the Germans- even a very clearly mark hospital.

Just proven disputed. Bitch.

If this depresses you ask your doctor if Paxil™ is right for you.

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[–] Thusnelda 14 years ago

thuSSy wrote:
"Deliberately burning innocent people alive in buildings was common practice and official policy of the Allies.

Yet, there are no Hollywood movies about that."
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Take this discussion back to the "Dresden" message boards

I type this where and as much as I like.

And you couldn’t refute me, neither on the “Dresden” board nor elsewhere.

Yours,

Thusnelda

Revolt of the Masses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13dgLzmHsnM

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[–] NoRevisionism 14 years ago

Love to see thuSSy explain how Oradour-sur-Glane or Lidice are viable military targets.

Seems every time she taps the keyboard she get farther away from reality.

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[–] Thusnelda 14 years ago

Now you are even confusing the question of legality of targets in bomb attack with the legality of hostage shootings.

Without referring to any particular case -
just be informed that the execution of partisans (today we would say: terrorists) and the execution of civilians (hostages) under certain circumstances was legal under martial law back then and was practiced on all sides – not just by Germany. In the territories occupied by the Allies, the “quota” for the execution of civilians in villages or towns that were connected with partisan attacks ranged from 5 per ordinary soldier killed to even 200 per ordinary GI murdered (Harz mountains) – although the average quota was, as far as I know, 10 – 20 civilians.
Nobody disputes that in world war II, war crimes were committed on all sides, including the German one. However, in every case, we have to investigate if a military action (e. g. shooting of civilians) was legal under martial law back then or not. This is not a question of the colour of the uniform a soldier was wearing.

Yours,

Thusnelda

WHY THE USA IS GOING TO FALL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_6AaHT7ZSQ

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[–] NoRevisionism 14 years ago

thuSSy......are u drunk or did you skip today's pills?

I bet if someone tomorrow accused an American soldier of shooting an Afghan civilian you'd cry murder.

But look at the excuses you can find for the Germans in 1944 in Oradour-sur-Glane.

Pathetic.

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[–] Thusnelda 14 years ago

I bet if someone tomorrow accused an American soldier of shooting an Afghan civilian you'd cry murder.

Today, reprisals against civilians are outlawed - but not back then.

Yours,

Thusnelda

Mind Control In America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZvAc-McLEo

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[–] NoRevisionism 14 years ago

thuSSy -

So I think I understand now thuSSy.....it was "ok" for the Germans to murder French & Czech civilians in WWII ?

Just want to make sure I understand.

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[–] Thusnelda 14 years ago

thuSSy -

So I think I understand now thuSSy.....it was "ok" for the Germans to murder French & Czech civilians in WWII ?

Just want to make sure I understand.

It was o.k. and legal for Germany to conduct military actions that were in accordance with international (martial) law back then.

In contrast to that, violations of international (martial) law were not "o. k." - e. g. the murder of civilians or POWs, as for example, portrayed and cheered at by the crowds in "Inglorious Basterds".

Yours,

Thusnelda

Écrasez l'Infâme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hgA-GMAKbc

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[–] NoRevisionism 14 years ago

The FICTIONAL movie "Inglorious Basterds" where actors in costumes reading lines from a script acted out scenes that were filmed with movie cameras showing other actors in costumes being "killed" and "killing" in accordance with the movie script?

What relation does a fictional Hollywood movie have with real life events?

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[–] NoRevisionism 14 years ago

i didnt think she'd reply to this one either.......

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[–] Thusnelda 14 years ago

What relation does a fictional Hollywood movie have with real life events?

NoRev,

look here:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361748/board/thread/180017767?d=180017767 &p=1#180017767

And:

QUOTE from the SPIEGEL online article:

"A group of rogue US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians and then posed with their bodies. (...)
The piece in SPIEGEL reconstructs some of the atrocities and includes three previously unknown photographs. Among other things, they show two of the suspected killers posing next to a corpse. The victim in the image is Gul Mudin, an Afghan man killed on Jan. 15, 2010 in the village of La Mohammed Kalay. In total, SPIEGEL and SPIEGEL TV has obtained close to 4,000 photos and videos.
The suspects are accused of having killed civilians for no reason and then of trying to make it look as though the killings had been acts of self-defense. Some of the accused have said the acts had been tightly scripted.
In one incident, which has been reconstructed based on documents from the investigation, the soldiers themselves detonate a hand grenade in order to make it look like they were the subjects of an attack before killing a man. One of those who allegedly participated, Adam Winfield, 21, described the incident to his father in a chat on the social networking site Facebook. "They made it look like the guy threw a grenade at them and mowed him down," SPIEGEL quotes Winfield as having written in the chat.
In a second incident on Feb. 22, 2010, one of the members of the "kill team" who had been carrying an old Russian Kalashnikov, fired it before pulling out another gun and shooting 22-year-old Afghan Marach Agha. In a third incident on May 2, 2010, it appears that a hand grenade attack was again staged before the shooting and killing of Mullah Allah Dad."
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,752310,00.html

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That many people (“the masses”) in some countries regard the display of torture and slaughter as “entertainment” (your words) or “fun” is precisely what speaks volumes about them.

Those US perpetrators in Afghanistan just put into action what “the masses” at home obviously regard as “entertainment” as well.

(...)

Those US “kill teams” are just displaying the same mentality that is displayed by those in the audience who cheer at torture and slaughter when shown in Hollywood movies.

Such movies do not simply “cause” such crimes: They just stir up an appeal to a primitive character that is already there: the character of savage beasts."

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361748/board/thread/180017767?d=180044669 &p=1#180044669

Yours,

Thusnelda

Parliamentarianism Explained
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lECo9-oGQKI

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[–] NoRevisionism 14 years ago

these pictures are fabricated!

You can clearly see the Loch Ness monster,several Yeti & NAZI piloted UFO's in the background.

you fail

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[–] Thusnelda 13 years ago

The FICTIONAL movie "Inglorious Basterds"…

No, I was talking about “reprisals” in WW II.

Yours,

Thusnelda

Kill Socrates
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FZzAoD5VdE

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[–] NoRevisionism 13 years ago

So was I.

Reprisals like "Oradour-sur-Glane" & "Lidice".

REAL Reprisals.

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[–] beernpizzalover 10 years ago

Perhaps not Hollywood. But there is a well known Russian film: Come and See (1985)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091251/combined
which shows a scene almost identical to this.

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[–] battlebot 14 years ago

The most disturbing parts for me -- and why I think this is still the best treatment of Nazism and the Holocaust ever filmed -- is everything involving Michael Moriarty's character.

Every other film about the Holocaust (most especially Schindler's List) portrays the Nazis as inhuman monsters, creatures so divorced from the real world that the viewer sees the events as nothing but a period piece that has little relevance to modern times.

The true horror of Nazism is what it teaches about human nature. Holocaust is still the only film to say, "You want to know what Nazism was? It's what would happen tomorrow if you gave your next-door neighbors absolute power and no responsibility."

Eric Dorf isn't some Tolkien-esque monster from another world. He's your average suburbanite, suddenly let off the leash.

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[–] cgrill8 12 years ago

I was FORCED to watch this in High school my senior year (back in 91). I could have SWORN I remembered a scene where many Jews were lined up nude and shot point blank by the wall of some building. So many parents were trying very hard to have the black social studies teacher that was showing us the 'series' (took a week, if I remember). And a year or two later the county system finally made her or the 'schools' NOT to show this anymore. My grandfather was proud of being "germanic" though my heritage is actually Gottschee. And then I found out how the Gottschee were pretty much driven from their OWN homes and country and forced into fighting with the Germans against the Gottscheers' will! Anyway, I've always been a bit of a wuss seeing violence on tv/movies. Now horror movies I could somewhat do, because horror normally isn't based on history unlike the Holocaust TV series. It really bothered me watching this movie.

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[–] BullSchmidt 12 years ago

I could have SWORN I remembered a scene where many Jews were lined up nude and shot point blank by the wall of some building.

I haven't looked through this entire thread, sorry if this point has already been responded to. I don't think that precise scene happens in Holocaust anywhere. However, there are two other scenes which come close:

Jews lined up at a wall and shot at close range -- a scene in the Warsaw ghetto where Moses Weiss and the kid (Aaron?), among others, die. But they're fully clothed when they're killed.

Jews lined up nude and shot -- an outdoor scene where Himmler observes "special handling" in action. Before the shooting happens, Himmler notices that one of the condemned looks Aryan. Himmler asks the man about his ancestry, finds that the man is a Jew, and says "sorry, I can't help you." The men are all machined gun and fall into a trench that has already been dug. But there's no wall in the scene.

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[–] chilidoggg (14330) 2 years ago

That scene with Himmler was very powerful IMO. He is shown gagging, and then shuddering when the soldier uses a pistol to finish off the survivors. Even a psycho like Himmler can't fight his DNA, his body is telling him "you're not supposed to be doing this."

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[–] Susie812 11 years ago

When Karl, Feyer, and Felscher are beaten cause they refused to talk about the drawings *shudders*

"Is it written somewhere? You should do what you want".

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[–] taylorje 11 years ago

When Berta Weiss finally realizes that they should have left Germany years ago but it's too late. She knows it's her fault that they didn't leave because she didn't take the danger seriously. Josef tries to comfort her by saying it was a mutual decision, but Berta knows differently.

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[–] ObieReturns 10 years ago

For me, it was the scene of a shirtless James Woods. Egads!

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[–] suesmith3 10 years ago

Mine was the unjust treatment of Erik Dorf by the Americans after he was captured that led to his having to take cyanide to end his life.

If you recall he just reached into his sweater and killed himself- gone in an instant leaving his wife and family behind.

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[–] suesmith3 10 years ago

Too much is made about the euthanasia projects. A necessary part of improving the country and a minor blip in history. Dorf's service was admirable and we are still enjoying the benefits today.

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