If Hitler had won?
If Hitler had won world War 2 and killed all the jews of Europe. Would he also of exterminated all the Poles? To Make way for German colonists?
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Hitlers creed of hatred and cynical cruelty encompassed many peoples and belief systems. His plans to conquer northeastern Europe(Poland and Russia) were made public as early as 1925-26 when his manifesto "Mein Kampf" was published.In this book he stated that Germans were an inherantly superior peole and that all other peoples were untermenchen - a word that is generally given to mean 'low peoples' but really means, in this context,less than human. Therefore, the Slavic untermenchen of these areas would be eliminated to clear 'leibensrum'- living space for Aryan(German)peoples. The Nazi's used
the same ridiculous, half-baked ideas, to start WW2 in Europe and be directly responsible for the deaths of over 40,000,000 people. Bty, the Nazi's not only
exterminated most of Europes jews but also almost all of Europes Gypsy's as well.
It's called Untermenschen and it means sub-human.
Also it's called Lebensraum.
It's called insanity.
shareThere'd be no Jews, Communists, Gypsies or homosexuals and the majority of the world's non-Germans would be slave colonies of a greater German Reich. Probably alot of us wouldn't even be here right now to worry about this. Had Hitler got the atom bomb we'd all be screwed as there's no way to resist that without having bombs yourself so the Reich could well last 1000 years or forever. Scary to consider.
share**In this book he stated that Germans were an inherantly superior peole and that all other peoples were untermenchen - a word that is generally given to mean 'low peoples' but really means, in this context,less than human.**
Interesting, considering Hitler was Austrian, not German. That's why he annexed Austria, so he could say he was German . . . the stupid untermenchen.
it's hard to say how far hitler would have gone with his extermination policies...he began with the "inferior" germans, those killed under the t-4 euthanasia program...then he began killing his enemies, the jews being public enemy #1 in hitler's mind...alongside the jews, he hated the bolsheviks (communists), and had he conquered russia, i'm sure there would have been further "racial" cleansings...the jews and the bolsheviks were of the "asiatic influence" and, of course, racially inferior to his beloved "aryan" ideal, so they were expendable...i think lebensraum was the ideal hitler upheld publicly to win german support for his killing operation, but i don't believe it was of primary importance to him...i'm of the opinion that the war was primarily a racial ideological one (as lucy s. dawidowicz defends in her book the war against the jews), and not one for territorial or political conquest...that said, i do feel that he would have killed as many poles and russians as possible to "clean" the earth of these "subhumans"
the problem was that his ideology blinded him to the unrealistic aims of his world war, thus, he could NEVER have won the war he began in 1939...it was doomed from the beginning because of his intense hatred of the jews and his diversion of critical resources (including jewish labor, trains and manpower) from the war effort to the killing operation, which undergirds my position that the conventional war was really secondary to him.
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the problem was that his ideology blinded him to the unrealistic aims of his world war, thus, he could NEVER have won the war he began in 1939...
No.
1. The war in 1939 was begun by Poland and Great Britain.
2. Even the Allies concede that still in 1945, Germany had a chance to win the war even back then, with a little bit more time…
3. WWII isn’t legally over yet.
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Germany invaded Poland. She was also doomed to defeat long before 1945.
shareInteresting, considering Hitler was Austrian, not German. That's why he annexed Austria, so he could say he was German . . . the stupid untermenchen.
Sorry, but that shows a bit of ignorance about German ethnicity and language. The Austrians are Germans, ethnically and linguistically, despite the fact that they live in a separate state. Even that fact is a relatively recent one. There was no "Austria" as a separate state, for much of European history, until the Holy Roman Empire was finally dissolved in 1806 by the French. "Austria" refered to specific principalities within the Empire, ruled by the Hapburgs. With that event, the Hapsburgs were left with a state that contained Germans, Bohemians, Moravians, Slovenes, Croats, Poles, Italians, and Hungarians, under a separate crown.
In 1918 and 1919, after the defeat at the end of WWI, there was a strong drive to merge the German lands into the greater German state, but the Allies prohibited it. The Nazis on both sides of the border agitated for this merger--which other Austrian politicians opposed--and carried it out. When the Allies defeated Germany in 1945, Austria was again split off, and its independence and neutrality accepted and guaranteed by the Allied powers.
So, yes, Hitler was born in Braunau, which was in Hapsburg territory, and he was a citizen of the Imperial and Royal state, till 1914, but he would have called himself a German when comparing himself to anyone other than another German.
Unless you were making a joke, in which case, I think I get your point.
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The Duke of Wellington in some moment of conversation had his birth place brought up. He did not have a very high regard for the Irish and mentioned it it is said quite often. He was born in Ireland. Obviously the begged question might have been why are you so hard on the Irishmen are you yourself not ??? Irish.
He is reported to have said ?? 'Had I been been born in a stable would I be a horse'?
I suppose Billy Connolly and Dylan Thomas and Barak Obama then could be said to be English.
No don't include George W.
Adolf was surely messed up. It is how did he manage to take so many with him during those days. That is the bigger problem.
Adolf could have made his argument for any state he aligned himself with.
Two nations were on missions somewhat similar with their great living gods Hirohito and Adolf. The subjects carried out acts which were done in the names of the gods and the nations. It is very regrettable that we in The UK had to go along with a desperate policy of making the enemy 'reap the whirlwind'. When the dust was settling we westerners did not continue this whirlwind but we know that a major ally was not generous towards those who had been occupied or interned. Its activities in Poland during that non aggression pact time are still being investigated.
What did rise from those two nations Japan and Germany are two VERY civilized nations who in the German case deal with its new Nazis and Holocaust deniers quite strongly. Although Japan refuses to recognize its part in causing its own downfall it is building a state of non aggression.
The Italians were no doubt a sort of unwilling bride until they came to their senses, or perhaps while winning was OK. The German did himself no favor in the response to them leaving the conflict. The Italian POW who was our enemy got better treatment as a prisoner than as a one time close ally.
German soldiers do not fight at night when combined with coalition troops.
We in the UK however seem to have allowed ourselves today to be part of something I have not the qualification to fully understand. We are aiding a nation which was guilty of abetting the enemy in our own internal national struggle. If 9/11 had not happened the IRA would still be getting assistance for the US. IRA linked with all of those other terrorist units.
The only thing I think we should do is guard the opium fields pay a suitable amount for the crops, ship it back to the UK and GIVE it to those who like the stuff for free. Flood the market.
As an aside around Germany many speak a language known as Low German. Good reason to march into Holland etc.
Considering the pact that Poland had with Britain just why did the Germans go to the bother of creating a situation at that border?
Worth a watch is the Brannagh effort CONSPIRACY.
In American history (a lovely subject...) we were taught after the Jews were gone, the blacks would've been next, then the Catholics, and so on down the line so that only Airians were left.
I have heard that some people think that someday there will be a FOURTH Reich, and that this time it will start right here in America. In my book, we're not that far off now!
..........There is a alternate history movie called "Fatherland" about what might have happened if Operation Overlord had failed and Hitler had successfully invaded Great Britain. By 1961 Hitler was not only involved in a continuing war with what was left of the Soviet Union but also a decade and a half long could war with the United States and the remaining British Empire..........(Spoiler)In the movie Hitler tries to get a peace agreement with US President Joe Kennedy; in real life the isolationist ambassador to the Court of Saint James during the early years of the war. A German police officer, investigating a murder, finds documentary and photographic evidence of the Nazis program against the Jews and other minorities and gets the evidence to Kennedy. The treaty is off and with in a few years Nazi Germany collapsed from with in.............Philip K Dick described a even more chilling vision of a United States, divided between Nazi Germany and Japan in "The Man From High Castle..........Philip Roth discribed a more possible vision of what might have been in "The Plot Against America" where isolationist and proGerman aviator, Charles Lindbergh becomes wins the Presidency. Not only does the US become pro Nazi Germany but also officially sanctioned anti-Semitism becomes commonplace................Personally I doubt if Nazi Germany could ever have invaded North America. Hitler's rabid ant-Semitism and political had forced Germany's best scientist to immigrate to the United States. More important Germany didn't have a large enough population. The Nazis considered Eastern Europeans to be sub human, in most cases, depriving themselves foreign manpower. The Nazis would have run out of Germans before they had run out of lands to conquer.
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An interesting book was published recently, and I have read some interviews with the author. The Atlantic article is plenty to read:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/09/hitler-holocaust-antisemitism-timothy-snyder/404260/
The gist is that you have to read Mein Kampf and other writings strictly, and not as politically expedient to make Germany go to war. The subtitle says it "It wasn’t about German nationalism, the historian Timothy Snyder argues. It was about the whole world."
So, I instead I would ask "Won what?" The aims were global, so winning in Europe would be a temporary goal. Assume magic and the German army can take on anyone (nukes are not just unlikely but are more useful as bargaining weapons so would eventually also not be totally effective, and they would presumably need cities, industry, etc. and not want to nuke everything). Then I feel they would have tried to take over literally the entire world. All with the ultimate goal of wiping out all the peoples they found unacceptable.
To that end, alternative history would seem to just be variations on /when/ Germany looses. They were fanatical Bond-villany world-domination types who had no choice but to over-extend themselves. It was not in their nature to make serious deals, hence overplaying into the Soviet Union, or even smaller campaigns like North Africa, instead of consolidating, and making good, strategic decisions.
With Men like Hitler, who needs Satan?
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men like hitler are proped up by satan, think on that.
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