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Michael Moriarty as Erik Dorf


I hated the character of Dorf so much that I just wanted to reach into the screen and slap the hell out of him...which means Moriarty did an excellent job with his character. His Emmy is very well deserved. And Meryl was amazing too!

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I had more of a desire to reach in and slap his wife.

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Alomba, well said! :) I couldn't stand the character who played Dorf's wife. She was annoying, unattractive in many ways, and a lousy actress.

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what I thought was so interesting was these two characters showed how people were pursuaded by the nazi propaganda. they start being innocent people who see a Jewish practitioner with ho thoughts about it. the fact that Dorf needed a job and got a decent position put them in a place where they were in the middle of everything. Dorfs whole mentality was "obey". he obeyed every order, partly out of fear and partly out of patriotism. he became convinced as a result that Jews were a problem. it seemed his thoughts and beliefs were no longer personal but mechanical. his wife was along for the ride. she wanted him to get a good job as much as he did and she wanted him to succeed as much as he did. they conformed to the trend of the politics and when that happens, you go with it or you get destroyed in the process. its interesting how he sought a job not because he wanted to join the politics but because he needed one. and as a result got swept up in the whole party.

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Yes, Michael Moriarty's work in this was superb--so much so that I couldn't stand to see the actor for quite a while afterwards. Intellectually I knew that I was responding to the character's evil, not the actor's; emotionally, however, I found it hard to separate the two.

His bland, almost meek appearance made him an excellent choice to depict what Hannah Arendt called the banality of evil. Kudos to an earlier poster on this board who called Dorf--I don't recall whether the post referred to the character in the novel or in the mini-series--the living embodiment, or perhaps the incarnation, of that banality.

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I saw HOLOCAUST when it first aired in the late 70s as a teen...and never forgot it. To this day, when I see Michael Moriarty in anything, I think of Dorf. That's how much of an impact his performance had on me!

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Absolutely - Moriarty was doing an excellent job here (and I don't think the actress playing Mrs Dorf was that bad either). Erich stays fully alive as a portrait of a person but simultaneously, he skilfully shows how the commitment to Nazi and revanchist ideas pervaded society. The entire first eisode, in some ways the best of the series, leads us down the alleys of a society that half impoerceptibly loses the shell of humanity and tolerance and gives in to authoritarianism and wishes for purity.


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I hated the character of Dorf so much…


Dorf is a clever propaganda name:

“Dorf” means village in German, therefore, metaphorically, framing the “village people” the “rural people” in Germany generally.

Never ever heard anybody in Germany with the name “Dorf”.



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"Hon i selba denkt"

My thoughts, too, Thusnelda. I never heard it as a family name. I thought, "Dorfmann", perhaps, though that would sound Jewish at that point. But I like your point about choosing the name, using it almost as "Everyman".



"The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen."

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apparently Michael Moriarty had a break down due to playing this role and it shows he looks like he is so disconnected from what he his doing i mean that in a good way

to see him as such a nice guy in the start to someone that goes to far for the sake of a career and when he gets to far in there is no going back

i wish Michael Moriarty was in more things these days but after this role he apparently nearly killed himself drinking and smoking his acting is and always will be appropriated by me

you will have to forgive the lack of full stops lack of proper spelling im dyslexic but not stupid

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Dorf was the stand out in the show.Moriarty's portrayal was faultless.

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Am I the only one who hated his performance? Every time he came on screen I sighed.
He was so vacuous, monotone, not a flicker of emotion throughout the whole series - and I really don't understand why people are saying that it was done on purpose, I think it's just bad acting. If he was acting in that way to try and give a believable performance, then why does he deserve an Oscar? Anybody can stand looking completely bored and speak in a monotone voice.

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Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but there's a difference between "monotone" and "subtle." Moriarty's whole acting style is very understated - he doesn't do a lot of histrionics and fireworks to get his underlying emotion across.

Anyone who thinks that it's easy to "stand [around] looking bored" probably hasn't done any professional acting. I did a commercial once where a few of us were cast as students walking across campus behind the main characters, who were talking about the university where we shot the commercial. A lot of bystanders and passersby stopped to watch us through the iron gate, and I jokingly said to my partner, "they're thinking, *I* could do that." We laughed, and then he said, in all seriousness, "no, they can't." I understood what he meant a few months later when, in a stage production with a lot of concert singers who had no acting experience, during a party scene, all of the chorus and compramari were told to simple mingle and walk around as though at a real party, to feel free to cross in front of the principals, and to cover as much of the stage area as possible. You'd be surprised how many of these professional performers simply could not get the hang of it.

It's harder than it looks. To some, it looks like it comes naturally, but there are always the directives to "hit your mark," "cheat to the camera," "enunciate so that you sound as natural as possible while clearly speaking your lines," and on stage if you're not amplified, "remember never to speak to the back of the stage because the audience won't hear you."

You can dislike Moriarty as an actor, and you can dislike his performance in Holocaust, but you can't claim that "anyone can do" what he does until you've tried to do it.

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I'm with ickle, and I'm a professional actor. Seriously? He won an Emmy for this dreadful performance? Yeah, "disconnected" is right. I saw no depth, nothing going on in his eyes, he could muster no emotion even when it was called for. This wasn't nuance. This was phoning it in. Monotonous, dull, and I didn't buy his relationships with any of the characters, especially his superior officer.

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I'm with ickle, and I'm a professional actor.

Well, I'm no actor, but I am a viewer, and since acting is ultimately communication between the actor and audience, I think I've got a right to chime in. ;)

I agree, the performance was bizarre. Now, I'm no historian, but I always assumed that the Dorf character was supposed to be loosely based on Heydrich's real life lieutenant, Adolf Eichmann (even though Eichmann is a separate character in the film). The real Eichmann was described by many who met him as a meticulous man with little actual personality. Picture the stereotypical bespectacled, mild-mannered and dull CPA, except that this particular accountant not only doesn't care whether he's tallying gardening tools at Lowe's versus dead Jews at Auschwitz, he doesn't even perceive a difference. I assumed Moriarty was trying to project that aspect of the character's personality (or lack of it).

With that said, if that was the intent, it was overdone. Even in what were supposed to seem like warm scenes with his family, he came off more like a zombie than anything else. And although I'm not an actor, I'm guessing that just a few subtleties here and there could have done much to fix the problem. Maybe if he had just chuckled occasionally at Heydrich's wisecracks, or better still offered one of his own in return; hugged his children a moment longer than necessary; things like that.

His performance was so weird that it caused one scene that was supposed to be highly emotional to look ridiculous, IMO. Remember when Dorf was in bed with his wife and he started voicing his inner doubts while crying? At one point he blubbered about some coworker of his -- "but he's a decent man, he loves animals" Huh? Now here's Dork (misspelling intentional) displaying a warm spot for puppies -- I guess we're supposed to believe that he's just a normal guy now? I LOL'd the first time I saw that.

Which brings up another problem I have with this performance. One of the strengths of Holocaust, I've always felt, was that so many of the characters come across as basically normal, ordinary people. The Weiss family seemed like carbon copies of a common type of American family -- belonging to a specific religion, but only in a vague and abstract way. Which made made the mostly non-Jewish American audience's sympathy with them somehow more complete than if they had been portrayed as devoutly Jewish; they were much more like the real "folks next door." Even many of the lower-level Nazi's (e.g., Muller) were eerily reminiscent to me of the sort of person one sometimes finds among American small town cops. Had Moriarty portrayed Dorf as a truly ordinary, pleasant guy who was seduced and warped into becoming a monster, it would have added to that overall effect ... but he didn't. (I have to add that I dislike Meryl Streep's doing her accent gimmick here for the same reason -- it clashes with this overall effect too.)

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Actually Hitler was a vegetarian who loved animals so it is only fitting that those under him tended to share similar sentiments. It's easy to think of Nazi's as totally evil, mean, cruel people who wanted to kill anything and everything, but the reality is something different. The human mind does tend to seek a balance between things or ideas. A good Nazi could console themselves by stating to themselves that though they kill undesirables as prescribed by the state, they love their own children and they love animals.

A neighbor of mine some years ago who was a paramedic and a volunteer firefighter and who was heavily involved in civic groups was discovered exposing himself to his own daughter. They also discovered pictures of himself naked with her that he had taken so it wasn't just one incident. He is now serving time in prison.

The good that you do does not make up for the evil that you commit.

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I've only seen this miniseries once - maybe 20 years ago - but to this day every time I see him anywhere else I remember that portrayal. I just came across him on Law & Order and immediately thought of this performance.

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me too

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He looks so much like a young version of Hannibal Lecter in "Silence of the Lambs". Notice his eyes, really the same like Anthony Hopkins's. Astonishing!

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