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The biggest flaw in these movies that makes no sense

posted 2 years ago by avortac4 (3752)
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Has anyone yet realized how Lucas envisioned and made these movies?

There are a few really annoying things that bother me a lot - the waste of possibilities being one. What they COULD have done with force, was never shown, only talked about. If destroying a planet with a force is INSIGNIFIGANT(!) compared to what you can do with the force, then why do the movies NEVER show anything 'grander' than that that's done with the force?

For example, generation of a planet would be a really cool thing to see.

This claim also destroys the need for doing ANYTHING else in ANY OTHER WAY, because holy cow, if you can destroy planets with the force, and yet call this INSIGNIFIGANT compared to the things you can do... why can't Yoda just explode the Death Star all by himself with a mere thought? Size matters not, hmm?

But what REALLY brings my urea reserves to a boiling point, are the movie-typical things.. they TOOK something that already existed, and MERELY gave them a polish. Then they added 'the force' as a gimmick that is used only a couple of times to generate an 'ooohh', and then go back to useless stuff.

One thing is tech that's WORSE than ours, because it's taken from some WW1 movies - except it's even worse than that, because at least bullets were fast in WW1.

So we get the 'dogfights' - BUT IN SPACE! We get the bomber plane gunner scene - BUT IN SPACE and with RED LIGHTS as bullets! All the tech is slow, clumsy and cumbersome. Why the heck would the empire use those idiotic 'big walking things' when they have SPACESHIP TECHNOLOGY WITH PLANET-EXPLODING DEATHSTARS AND ORBITAL BOMBING CAPABILITY (demonstrated with the asteroids at one point)?!

(Not to mention, why land their offending troops SO FAR from the base instead of just instantly either bombing the base from orbit or surrounding it with normal, FAST-MOVING troops with air support and proper snow tanks?)

Then there's the whole 'clichéic, old, medival knight-style sword fights BUT IN SPAC.. well, in FUTURE with GLOWING swords!'

There are enough problems with light sabers being able to cut through anything, but that they stop each other, like metal swords would.. never made sense to me. Why would light stop light?

Also, a sword fight with WEIGHTLESS BLADE that can cut through anything would _NOT_ look like 'traditional sword fight' - you would NEVER, ever need to hold a light saber (handle) with TWO hands! It'd be lightweight (no pun intended) to begin with, but since the blade has no weight, you can always hold it it one hand and do superfast movements, which we never saw.

It's like someone (ahem) wanted to take 'cool, oldskool knight swordfights' and 'cool WW1 dogfights and gunner scenes' and just made them seem futuristic.

All we get in this movies are VERY OLD TECH and VERY OLD MOVIE SCENES that are 'future-polished', except they're even worse, because bullets are SLOW now for some reason. Light is apparently SLOWER than actual bullets..

Then there's the PRINCESS - why a princess, when the whole 'kingdom' system is just the most blatant, inequal way to oppress the people and generate a peasant slave class? Why should we respect princesses or even consider them anything NORMAL when you consider the system they come from and support? They don't have blue blood, they're just megalomanic people unfairly come to power through sneaky ways and unnecessarily brutal methods so they can satisfy their inhuman, demonic greed and lust for power, gold, money and oppression of regular people.

You can't be a princess without being a brutal oppressor, but we're supposed to just think of them as something to call every single 'cute girl' - oh, she's such a princess! How banal and ignorant.

In any case, is Leia even a princess after her planet exploded? How does this hierarchy work, and since it doesn't even require the consent of the governed, because it's oppressive oligarchy of some sort, why doesn't anyone rebel against THIS?! How can a princess be a rebel anyway, wouldn't that just endanger her power?

Then there's the WIZARD.. but in SPACE!

See the pattern here? They take everything from old folklore, history, medieval stories, crappy WW1 movies and serials, and make it into a SPACE VERSION of all of this. It even follows the most predictable pattern with no twists.. the valiant knights with their weirdo grumpy creature friend rescue the princess from the wizard's lair and have a sword fight with the evil black knight, and have to defeat a fire-breathing dragon (the planet-destroying death star) to do it.

What is the emperor other than a space wizard, really? Shooting lightning from his fingers and wearing the ridiculous hoody garment no one else ever wears (sans Obi-Wan, whose name-changing capabilities lave a lot to be desired - what's the point of changing your first name, but leaving your last name intact? FOREHEADSLAP!)

I would LOVE to see a proper, futuristic space saga, but THIS one is just old stuff rehashed in the most corny way.

[–] avortac4 (3752) 2 years ago

Just off the top of my head, what COULD have been shown as 'future technology' when it comes to spacefights, destroying a rebel base, and so on.

How about small scanning drones that jump through hyperspace (or whatever it's called - light speed obviously being WAY too slow for actual space travel) from sector to sector to scan everything there, with powerful energy beam capabilities.

This would give the empire a lot of REAL power, as they could remotely ensnare a planet, pump it full of some 'alien energy' that would do anything the empire wants, from making the people there sleepy or suggestible, kill the population or whatever they want. Even disrupting their sleep by pumping super loud sound and noise into the planet's atmosphere would make the people VERY suggestible when the sound ends an the empire issues a demand. "Anything you want, as long as we don't have to suffer from that noise anymore".

This is just off the top of my head, remember, I am sure many people could create much more effective ideas.

In any case, this would also allow the empire to know everything about all the planets, cultures, people and such - they could do almost anything from their computer consoles, merely by selecting things from a menu and clicking. No need to send a huge fleet somewhere, land cumbersome, giant metal robots to walk VEEERRRY slowly towards a tiny base from VEERRRRY far away. Just push a button and eliminate the base by the actually destructive energy beam the drone can generate and aim and LOCK at anything.

(Why don't these movies even have proper target locks, is beyond me.. every time they do, the target is never destroyed anyway)

If the ability to destroy a planet is insignifigant (I can't get over this MASSIVE claim that changes everything - you can't have a bigger gamechanger than THIS in a movie!), then why can't the emperor and Darth just go on missions to explode planets with the force left and right - any 'rebellious' planet would be destroyed.

[–] avortac4 (3752) 2 years ago

I mean, think how much they would save in money and resources, if they didn't build these ridiculously massive 'death stars'... how they're able to do that kind of a project secretly is beyond me.

They have 'tractor beams', and yet they're letting gravity decide things for some reason. They could keep any 'rebel spaceship' in a levitated mode in a cocoon, so no one can escape from it, and of course they could keep such a ship under observation, monitoring every LIFE SIGN THEY HAVE SHOWN THEY CAN SCAN FOR...

(I am sorry, these movies are so stupid that it bugs me - why do they show a feature only to then forget about it in these movies? If they can scan life signs in the beginning of a movie, they should be able to scan for life signs also when they capture a Millennium Falcon - kinda weird name for a ship, considering this is a SPACE saga, so why are 'falcons' even a thing? Do people know about falcons? Also, why is 'millennium' signifigant? It might've been in the 1970s, when people were thinking about future and the year '2000', but when every planet probably has a different calendar they use, shouldn't 'a millennium' be a completely insignifigant name and word in that particular universe? When you're not planet-tied, you don't have a 'set time' to follow, as every planet has their OWn time)

In any case, I was just scratching the surface, but if we really imagine what future tech would be, space battles would be fought thousands of kilometers away from the enemy, shooting devastating, faster-than-any-missile energy and ray and vibration weapons that can use hyperspace to jump back and forth and destroy massive areas with devastating force instantly, targets would be locked as big groups from massive distances away and destroyed instantly by sweeping energy grids..

..and if there ever WAS a 'light weapon', it would be a SOLID BEAM that destroys everything it touches (somehow they can have this in small scale, but not big scale, think light sabers in space)

[–] avortac4 (3752) 2 years ago

Anyone that has seen Babylon 5 space battles - well, they're not exactly realistic, as they're STILL happening 10 meters from each other, but at least they have 'destructive light beams' (though they seem to move too slowly and STILL act like physical knives or swords, experiencing resistance or something sometimes, when they should just quickly slice through like a katana would a bamboo tree in an old samurai movie, and not make things 'explode' in the way - they should just slice, SWOOSH!, and THEN there might be explosions - now it looks like the beam doesn't actually slice the ships, but just penetrate slightly to cause explosions, which diminishes the effect)..

So think of these beams but in more massive scale, used in precise, effective, computerized manner, where every hit is pre-calculated and targets have been locked so the computer can't miss, will always hit them perfectly and so on.

We could be seeing NEW ways of 'orbital bombing', we should be seeing NEW ways of destroying massive enemy fleets. Heck, no one would even HAVE fleets anymore, they'd be too big as targets, too slow beacuse of inertia, and so on. Everyone would have tiny, flexible, superfast 'drone ships', unmanned and tiny in physical size, but super powerful in their energy weapon systems and such. They would have millions of these tiny things trying to eliminate each other's bases from thousands and again thousands of kilometers away with 'energy missiles' that can use warp technology (so stupid to call it 'light speed' in these movies, because that would be way too slow - it takes EIGHT MINUTES for light to even reach Earth from the sun, do the math!)..

Can you imagine a spacefight like this? Instead of clunky WW1-style fights which were obsolete even at WW2, let alone modern times, LET ALONE THE FUTURE SPACE FIGHTS, we could have more IMAGINATIVE (if not realistic) future fights, even _IF_ we only follow 'common sense', we could see something previously completely unseen and amazing!

[–] avortac4 (3752) 2 years ago

The problem of course being, as it always is, that this kind of new, common-sensical future tech would be SO advanced, it would be hard for any rebel group to even exist for very long. The empire could track you down, they would be faster than you are, and eliminate all of you with a click of a mouse.

For a long time, I have wanted to see a 'futuristic tech'-based fight done in the 'modern UI' way.

Think about banana flies in your kitchen. There's this big group of tiny things that are hard to see and even harder to get rid of easily and quickly.

WHAT IF you could just select them like you can troops in a RTS game, and then hit DEL and they would be deleted? It seems so intuitive, and yet I can't do it, because I don't have the technology.. Obviously, cleaning your kitchen will get rid of them, but my point is, wouldn't it be cool to see this kind of 'fight' implemented in some story?

Someone would just select the enemy group, to form a box around them, then every enemy would slow as 'selected' (have a glow around them or glowing outline or a rectangle for each unit), then they would hit DEL and the enemy would just be .. gone.

That would be so cool, but I might be the only one thinking that way. Still, watching these movies makes you imagine something so much better every time... sigh. Why can't fantasy movies ever be fantastic?