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Serious question here.


Mainly I'm addressing this to native New Yorkers, young or old. I'd like to ask you something about the Big Apple. Seeing as how movies like this (a really good movie in its own right, I have nothing against it) but movies like Taxi Driver, Mean Streets and pretty much every other film set in NYC in the '70s and '80s really makes that place look like a $#!thole. So my question is, what's so great about it? Movies like Taxi Driver show that NYC is a dirty, gritty, trashy city full of crime, full of insanity, full of debauchery, full of danger, full of poverty and full of violence. What is the likability factor here? I'm sorry if I put down your home town, but I'm really curious. I'm very serious here. Why do people love New York, despite the fact it's... well, insane.

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Dude...you know that the New York of today is not the New York of the 70's and 80's right? Right? Taxi Driver's almost 40 years old. Violent crime's gone down and a lot of the locations in Taxi Driver are heavily gentrified. Do you have any sense of the real world outside of what you see in films?

Seid ihr das Essen? Nein, wir sind der Jaeger!

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Thank you for NOT answering my question. Anyone else want a go?

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I see. That makes sense. Thanks for filling me in.

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New York was much seedier in the 70s, as pointed out here. But I would also like to point out that the era's depictions of it wasn't universally negative either. Woody Allen has certainly had an ongoing love affair with the city, and other films like Superman: The Movie, Tootsie, Splash, etc. depicted it in rather appealing, romantic ways.

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Technically, Superman: The Movie was Metropolis, but I see what you're saying with Woody Allen and those other movies. But I don't get it. What's the appeal?
See, I'm afraid I have some bad news: I... have NEVER been...to New York. Yes, I know, I suck. But you know what? If tickets and hotels weren't so damned expensive, I would've come! I want to visit NYC so bad I can TASTE it...and it tastes like pizza. But anyways, what is the Big Apple's appeal? Please fill me in as best you can. I don't get it. To me, it just looks like an ordinary city with some unique skyscrapers and a green statue of a fugly woman in the harbor.

So, c'mon, New YAWK-AHS, whatsa deal heah?

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This article may interest you. I just came across this in the New York Times. There is a large swath of bohemian hipsters and intellectuals that brim with nostalgia over NYC seedier times. I don't quite understand it, but here you go:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/10/t-magazine/1970s-new-york-history.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

Actually, I take that back. I do understand it to a degree. The article is pretty up front about it, really. The egalitarian mind loves it when everyone is in misery together. It even labels this "more democratic." Okay, sure.

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So nostalgia and masochism are the city's main attraction? Yeah, okay. Sure. Sign me up.

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Given your attitude, here's an idea: 1. Don't go, and 2. Forget about it and go someplace else. Sound like a plan?

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And given YOUR attitude, here's some ideas for you:

1. Mind your own business.
2. You love New York so much, go get a job as a travel agent. Give tourists your little song and dance.

Oh, and STOP making horses pull those damn carriages in Central Park. We're not living in the 1920s anymore.

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New York is full of interesting and eclectic people, and there are at any one moment in time a gazillion things to do. That, in itself, is the attraction to many people.

On a career level, in certain industries (finance, fashion, stage, the arts etc.) if you want to be able to work with the "heavy hitters," there is nowhere else to be other than New York. So, there is that, too.

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I grew up and currently reside in the New York suburbs. I only go into New York if I have a very good reason. It is a very expensive city and stressful to drive around.

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I've never been to NYC so this is only a guess. But my GUESS is that it's similar to Las Vegas. Vegas used to be a lot more seedy & dangerous when it was run by gangsters instead of Disney. But it was a HELLUVA lot more fun and interesting. Probably the same with NYC before they cleaned it up and it got corporate (never a good thing).

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I've lived in NYC my entire life. In the 70's and 80's, it was absolutely terrible. Crime everywhere. Normal people did not take the subways or go into parks at night. Everything smelled of urine. Bums would 'wash' your car window when you stopped for a traffic light. Responsible parents would not permit their children to go off the block or play outside unsupervised. There was no likability in it, at least for me. When Bernie Getz shot some kids attacking him, people understood.

Miraculously, Guliani somehow cleaned things up. The city turned into a tourist destination. 42nd Street became a Disney-fied corporate playground. Some people developed a nostalgia for the gritty old New York and I think those are the people you are referring to. But in reality, it was a horrible place.

Well, it's headed back in that direction now, so those people are getting their wish, I guess. The bums and the urine smell have returned. There are topless prostitutes walking around 42nd Street. Gangbangers can no longer be stopped and questioned. Quality of life crimes have been decriminalized. If you want to come here as a tourist, I'd do it soon as it's in a downward spiral again.

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Miraculously, Guliani somehow cleaned things up. The city turned into a tourist destination. 42nd Street became a Disney-fied corporate playground. Some people developed a nostalgia for the gritty old New York and I think those are the people you are referring to. But in reality, it was a horrible place.

Well, it's headed back in that direction now, so those people are getting their wish, I guess. The bums and the urine smell have returned. There are topless prostitutes walking around 42nd Street. Gangbangers can no longer be stopped and questioned. Quality of life crimes have been decriminalized. If you want to come here as a tourist, I'd do it soon as it's in a downward spiral again.

That's very interesting. Sounds alot like when they tried making Las Vegas more family-friendly... which only lasted a few years.

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Miraculously, Guliani somehow cleaned things up. The city turned into a tourist destination. 42nd Street became a Disney-fied corporate playground. Some people developed a nostalgia for the gritty old New York and I think those are the people you are referring to. But in reality, it was a horrible place.

Well, it's headed back in that direction now, so those people are getting their wish, I guess. The bums and the urine smell have returned. There are topless prostitutes walking around 42nd Street. Gangbangers can no longer be stopped and questioned. Quality of life crimes have been decriminalized. If you want to come here as a tourist, I'd do it soon as it's in a downward spiral again.


... sounds like you are speaking from a distorted right-wing political prism as much as anything. The truth of the matter is that crime began to decline in New York under Mayor David Dinkins, prior to Giuliani taking office in 1993.

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/07/20/opinion/l-drop-in-murder-rate-began-under-dinkins-038095.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/26/nyregion/26dinkins.html?_r=0

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm

That is not to say that Giuliani did not play a major role (at the cost of some people's civil liberties and lives), but the declining trend line predates his mayoral tenure. Indeed, the idea that Giuliani constituted some anti-crime superhero who "miraculously" saved the city is absurd.

Your last paragraph, meanwhile, seems preposterous. I will note that the end of "stop-and-frisk" has not resulted in an increase in crime (instead, crime in New York has continued to decline), and the overwhelming majoirty of the people stopped by "stop-and-frisk" were not gang members or criminals of any kind.

http://www.vox.com/2016/8/9/12405440/stop-and-frisk-end-new-york-city

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/08/about-90-percent-of-new-yorkers-stopped-and-frisked-were-innocent-says-nyclu/

And finally, "stop-and-frisk" was unconstitutional. Supporting such a practice is always easier when you are not the one whose constitutional rights are being violated.

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Are you kidding? Because - I'm resisting using the word "duh" - not all of New York is like this. Every big city in the US has slums and slimy areas, but most of them have many other things that people love. And New York is HUGE, it has 5 separate boroughs, all different. The borough of Manhattan alone has the Broadway theatre district, the Statue of Liberty, Central Park, the Empire State Building, Radio City Music Hall, Rockefeller Center, famous unique restaurants like the Russian Tea Room and Elaine's, museums like the MOMA and the Guggenheim, Lincoln Centre for the Arts, Chinatown, Times Square, Carnegie Hall, the United Nations Headquarters Building,Columbus Circle, to name just a few things.

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The best thing about Manhattan--at least at that time--was that it was like a great machine designed to support and enhance one's self expression. These days many people seem to have no real "self" to express, so they wouldn't get it.

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