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The lawsuit? Never quite understood that.


So the councilman character is supposed to be the one who brought the lawsuit against the league, forcing them to add an extra team, which winds up being the Bears, right?

And he's the father of one of the Bears. So he went to all that trouble to force them to include his son, but then he has no interest and/or no time for it after that, so he hires Buttermaker to coach them.

But then after the debacle of the first game he's the first one telling Buttermaker they should disband! He went to all the trouble of filing a lawsuit just to immediately say "to hell with it"?

He takes an interest late in the movie, once the Bears are in the championship, but other than that he doesn't seem to care, so why file the lawsuit in the first place? What was the point?

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That's called a McGuffin, yeah?

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One of the major themes of the movie is the clash of adult agendas over kids' sports. Buttermaker, in the beginning, just wants a check. The councilman, Whitewood, just wants a political win. Yankee's coach Turner wants a championship to polish his own ego at any cost--even his relationship with his son.

Everybody's in it for anything BUT the kids. It's not their lack of talent the Bears need to overcome...its the grownups.

THAT is what this movie is about.

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Well said Intangible. You completely nailed it.

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There are many things going on in this film. There was a lawsuit forcing the league to accept a team of "misfits". There's the politician who brought the lawsuit, but who didn't actually want to put in the time to work with the kids and then was ready to end the whole thing when it was clear that actual work would be necessary to keep the kids from humiliating themselves. There's Coach Turner, who wants to keep the losers out of the league because, in his mind, that's what the kids want anyway and it's better for them. There's Buttermaker, a formerly talented baseball player, now down on his luck, unable to commit to anything, and suffering from alcoholism.

But what this film is really about is dignity. Like "Rocky", it's not important that these kids win (something Buttermaker had to learn when he started caring how the team did), but that they gain some dignity.

The final baseball team is so crucial. Turner's son's dignity is taken away from him, and Buttermaker tries to win at the expense of the kids' dignity (Rudy Stein leaning into pitches). But Turner looks like a fool getting violent with his son, and Buttermaker has a "lightbulb" moment when he almost gets violent with Rudy Stein. It's all about the kids' dignity. Everyone gets to play, whether they win or lose. Lupus himself says that he doesn't want to play because he wants to win -- but gets his dignity back when he catches the ball in the outfield. (Even if he didn't make the catch, he still would have been playing, which was the point.)

Movies that came out around that time seem to have a common theme. The Bad News Bears don't win, but, like Rocky, they go the distance. Like Bruce the Shark, who didn't get to eat the entire town of Amity, but at least got to eat Quint and sink his boat. OK, maybe the "Jaws" reference doesn't work, but you get my point. It's about dignity!

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"One of the major themes of the movie is the clash of adult agendas over kids' sports. Buttermaker, in the beginning, just wants a check. The councilman, Whitewood, just wants a political win. Yankee's coach Turner wants a championship to polish his own ego at any cost--even his relationship with his son.

Everybody's in it for anything BUT the kids. It's not their lack of talent the Bears need to overcome...its the grownups. "

Well done!

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Exactly right. I'm always surprised how often people misunderstand this movie.

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I'm not sure about the dynamics of California little leagues but this seems like some sort of competitive independent league. Usually little leagues are separated by towns and basically anybody can join the little league in their community. I wish there were more details about the reason for the lawsuit and the dynamics of league and so forth. It's never really explained why The Bears couldn't join a less competitive league etc.

One reason for having an independent league would be allow Amanda and Kelly Leak to join the team. In a regular little league there is no way the best pitcher and position player would be aloud to just join the Bears during the season.

As far as Why none of the fathers have no interest in coaching the team. This is actually quite common, not the "getting paid" part but an outsider coaching the team. I coached little league when I was in my early 20's without having any relationship with any of the kids. I was always kind of annoyed that many of the fathers would come to the games and give advice or complain yet they never had any interest in coaching or spending time with the kids.

As far as filing the lawsuit, again the details or his motivation are never fully explained. As other people have mentioned he has an agenda like many of the adults in the film.

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Emotion tends to override common sense.

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I'm a year-and-a-half late, but intangible's analysis is spot-on and nails what makes this movie so brilliant. I first saw it c. 1993 as a kid, but seeing it last week made me realize how despicable the adults truly were for living through the kids for their own personal gain.

I played Little League in the early-to-mid-90s, and like the kids in the movie, I wanted to win, but I simply cared about getting a big hit and having fun. The adults completely overlooked the kids wanting to have fun on the field.

I never bothered watching the Billy Bob Thornton version, but I can't imagine they captured any of the 1976 brilliance.


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