'unnecessary' sex?


Most sex scenes in the movie serve a strong narrative purpose. But I thought a couple of scenes were rather unnecessary, or else I simply didn't understand the point that was being made...

first, when Sada & Kichi-san are prentending to get married and drink sake together, surrounded by 4 geishas. they make love, the geishas being still there, and while they watch, three of the girls rape the fourth. why? does that have anything to do with the main storyline? to me this scene was totally unnecessary. or have i missed something?

second, but this one is arguable, while Sada is staying for three days with her "intellectual", Kichizo is seen prostrate in his room; the servant brings him sake, and urges him to eat something. As he doesn't answer, she grumbles, "you'd better leave, sir, or that girl will end up killing you"; Kichizo suddenly leaps on her back as she was going to leave, and pushes her down, then rapes her. Although this seemed weird and illogical to me, as the sex addict is Sada, not him, it might be argued that he was infuriated by what the servant said, and also that he really wanted to have sex at that moment, being left very lonely without Sada... but still. was it really necessary?

apart from that, i also thought the very first scene (when Sada's bedmate tries to have sex with her) seemed kind of out of line too...

anyway, these are some of the (numerous) scenes in the movie that i didn't really understand, which doesn't mean that they were all unnecessary of course (hence the question mark). I'm only mentioning the sex scenes because in a movie trying to be sexually explicit while refusing to be classified as porn, it seems that sex scenes should be written & shot carefully to avoid ruining the credibility of the whole film.

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I agree with you. Although I was not ´turned on´as some people have suggested is the definition of pornography, I still think it´s pornographic. I just don´t agree with the people who try to say that it is artful and all that while calling people who see it as porn ´bible-thumpers´, etc. I am a very open person and I have no problem with sex and nudity in films, when it helps the story and is not just gratuitous (such as so many of the teen movies today, Scary Movie, etc.)

Let´s be honest, the dialogue is not that great and almost every scene just shows penises or vaginas in either blowjobs or sex. You can show all of that without being so explicit. What is the point of showing Sada with a penis in her mouth for 5 minutes? I think that you can show all of that and have the same impact without actually showing a penis going into her mouth. I think some scenes warrant nudity but in many others it is simply gratuitous.

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err... the sex-scenes do help the story! Without them the film wouldn't make any sense! You simply didn't get the point....

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To attempt an answer to the first message. I believe the scenes you mention were designed to give us an idea of the type of society that was Japan before the second world war. The rape of the serving woman was his reaction to her saying something he did,nt like. Nothing special, just what the man of the house might do to any female servant who stepped out of line. And so on with the other scenes mentioned. Why so graphic though ? The point of all the explicit scenes was to go beyond representation, and be as real as possible. If the producer could have found someone willing to really have his penis cut off, I'm sure he would have used him. The scenes are only gratuitous if real sex is gratuitous.

That's my take on it all. I'm probably wrong, but since I like my theory, I'm sticking with it until I find another one that makes more sense.

Anglo

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well, I found it to be both porn and not.

It seems the secnd scene the OP posts implies punishment. The first was just an orgy-like atmosphere. I cannot explain the first any better.

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Actually I would say both the scenes mentioned above might not intended to be viewed as "rapes", they just dipicted the erotic culture of Japan b4 the WWII, they were all trapped in the realm of senses, remember? I believe Kichizo was turned on by the thought of Sada being with another man, when he did it to the serving woman, and by the look of it, she might not even feel against it. And the geishas, they were just having their fun, the four geishas ended up lying naked with Kichizo and Sada on the floor, I guess there were several types of geishas, some with sex, some without, and these four might be the former.

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I say half of this movie is full of unnecessary scenes. I think we could get the point that these two people were in love or obsessed with each other, without a sex scene every FIVE minutes. And some of the scenes were pointless even considering THAT, like the very scene you pointed out.

Hey, I love porn, but don't try and pass it off as a "movie" or "art". This had no more of a story to it than a porno, and the things being done in it are only done in porn. So, you know the old saying, if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, ITS A FREAKIN' DUCK

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I can't remember correctly, but at the beginning a geisha touches Sada's breasts and there's some lesbian innuendo. Isn't the same geisha the one that was raped by the others while Sada was having sex with her master? She, differently from the others, was upset and so the girls derided her attraction towards Sada raping her. But maybe I'm wrong.

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Considering that movies are a graphic medium, I think it's hilarious that when some people find a topic or activity "sensitive" that many will fuss about how it could be depicted while not being shown. Every frame of a movie shows something. Anybody who can watch this and not see it at least as being a powerful character study, I must be skeptical of.

As for duck=porn? IMO the objective of porn is to tittilate. Ai No Corrida I think snuck in under the radar with the first few scenes of hot sex, but it soon became clear that this was an unusual depiction of how people's power relationships are often intertwined with their most intimate relationships. If it is porn, then I guess Miike's "Audition" is porn too.

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Here are some excerpts from critic Freda Freiberg. If you wish to read the entire article, just google In the Realm of the Senses and look for "The Unkindest cut of all." It will provide some excellent insights into this film. As far as some scenes being unneccesary sex, apparently most of you must be getting laid way too often! IN THE REALM OF THE CENSORS.

If the various titles of the film were designed to tempt, tease and titillate a variety of audiences, through a kind of insider trading in dominant cultural myths, the film's full frontal nudity and graphic depiction of pubic hair were designed to provoke and affront the Japanese censors. They constituted an in-your-face attack on Japanese censorship laws, which allowed graphic representations of violence, including rape, but forbad the explicit display of sexual organs and pubic hair. This taboo originated in the Meiji era and was connected to the campaign of the Japanese state to be accepted by the Western powers as a modern civilized state. Prior to the so-called Meiji Restoration, the pornography industry flourished in the cities of Osaka and Edo (the old name of Tokyo) both in literature and art. So sexual Puritanism was allied with national imperialism and the abuses/excesses of state power in the minds of New Left and libertarian Japanese social critics, artists and intellectuals, who regarded flouting the censorship laws as an attack on the state, a radical political act.

Early in Oshima's film, Sada is propositioned by an impotent old man. She responds by flaunting her pubic hair; he desperately masturbates himself but his penis remains limp. It is tempting to read this scene as a malicious attack on the old guys in the government censorship offices who designated pubic hair obscene throughout the 20th century.

The film was not screened in Japan in an uncut version until this year. Not only was the film deemed obscene, but the publisher of a book of stills from the film was charged with obscenity. Oshima, who studied law at the prestigious Kyoto University before taking up filmmaking, ridiculed the notion of obscenity at the trial, with some fine hair-splitting, but concluded sagely with the pronouncement that the obscene is what cannot be seen; once something is seen, it is no longer obscene. That is, it is a matter of law, not morality.

The film is set in 1936 and is based on an actual historical event, referred to in the end titles. But reports of this sensational event were suppressed at the time; when NHK newsreaders began to report it, the government censors cut off NHK radio transmission. The militarism and ultranationalism of the time intrude into the film in only one brief scene when Kichi (the star stud temporarily AWL from sexual service) goes for a walk in the street, oblivious of a passing military parade cheered on by flag-waving youngsters. It is hard to read this scene in political terms, even harder to see it as a political protest. Kichi is so self-absorbed, so pre-occupied with his private life, that he has no interest in the public sphere; therefore he cannot function as an active political agent. One may read the scene as saying that if young men devoted their energies to making love, they would not be interested in going to war. But it could equally be saying that total immersion in private life is politically irresponsible for it precludes political activism. Maybe the scene is included just to remind viewers that this was the time of militant nationalism and imperialism, and that the behaviour of Sada and Kichi was aberrant, transgressive of dominant values but quite beyond public concerns. If one gives attention to Kichi's body language, one notes that here he is dejected and brooding, not at all proud or confident, offering no optimistic alternative to militarism. He is in another world altogether. It is not necessarily posited as a better world, for he will soon voluntarily embrace his fate as will the young soldiers, will give his life for the satisfaction of a stronger power, the desire of a woman. Like the soldiers, he is destined for death.

But in general the film does celebrate the pleasures and varieties of sexual intercourse. It does so by drawing on the artistic heritage of the pornographic Japanese wood-block print of the Edo era (17th - 19th century), known as shunga. The debt is evident in the close-up focus on sexual organs in states of arousal and in coition, surrounded by colourful expanses of kimono fabrics; in the staging of the sexual event as a beautiful composition; in the athletic contortions of the lovers; in the constant presence of onlookers and intruders (serving women, inn-keepers, geisha); in the encyclopaedic variety of sexual positions and acts (horizontal, vertical; him on top, her on top; vaginal sex, anal sex, oral sex; lesbian sex, group sex, sado-masochistic sex; masturbation and auto-eroticism; savouring of genital fluids; violation by penis and by dildo). The film cannot reproduce the fantastically inflated size of the sexual organs in the prints, but makes use of the close-up shot in its place; and the lovers' conversations are spoken instead of being decoratively added to the scene, above or below the lovers, in cursive calligraphy.

When I began my research on the Edo woodblock prints, in the mid '70s, shunga prints were only available to male collectors in under-the-counter sales. The British Museum had a collection, as did other European and American museums and galleries, but you did not see them displayed in public, either in Japan or abroad. The scholarly specialist print journals in Japan used to reproduce them with large excisions, all whited out, in the places where the genitals and pubic hair should have been.

In the mid '70s, when this film was produced, it created a storm of controversy, and encountered censorship problems in several countries, not just Japan. Its explicit treatment of sexual intercourse and its bloody castration scene outraged and disturbed viewers brought up on Hays Code morality. It was an international sensation, provoking packed houses and lively debate at the 1976 Melbourne Film Festival.

Now, 25 years later, its re-release in the original uncut version has passed almost unnoticed by viewers in Melbourne, despite the plaudits of film critics. It has become a classic, but not a cult classic apparently. That is the unkindest cut of all. The public's lack of interest serves to remind us of all those clichés about yesterday's sensation and the ephemerality of fame. Saddest of all is the evident lack of interest in challenging cinema, cinema that challenges the viewer aesthetically, politically, emotionally and intellectually. Oshima at his prime was one of the few filmmakers in the history of cinema to produce such cinema.


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© Freda Freiberg, January 2001

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