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Nothing But Glorified Porn


Hello,
First off, let me say that I am a fan of all things Japanese. I speak the language. I also love good movies, and I have absolutely nothing against porn. Unfortunately this movie is neither of those things. It is a string of sex scenes held together by short, MEANINGLESS "dialogue" usually talking about their sex life together. I understand the sex was an important part of the story here, but I think we could get the idea that these two people were in love/obsessed with each other with either "implied" sex scenes, or just a few good ones. We don't need a WHOLE MOVIE of sex scenes to create a "story." As far as that goes, there is literally NONE in this movie, until the last five minutes. It tries to walk a line between "art" and porn, and completely fails miserably at both. If they had made up their mind one way or another, and committed to it, it would've been much better.

The other movie "Sada" which is based on this same event, is so much better as far as ACTUAL story and character development, that once you see it, this movie will be a slap in the face.

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actually i agree

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When someone says, in relation to anything Japanese, "I speak the language" I assume - and have never been proven wrong yet - the person is a pretentious fat head ignorant of Japan in any way. You keep the winning streak of this assumption intact.

If you don't care for this film (because you simply do not understand it, or anything else) that's your right. As is mine to consider you a puffed-up jerk with no insight into Japan or anything else.

May I never have to spend time with someone like you. I do not brook fools any longer, but do like like making them cry.

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That's probably due to the fact that "I speak the language" as opposed to "I speak Japanese" is a douchey thing to say anyway. It sounds like you have something to prove, and it's condescending whereas you could just more directly say "I speak Japanese."

If someone speaks a language well, there's no way they could not understand the culture, ESPECIALLY with Japanese. I'm somewhere in the intermediate area, and it's a long way to the top of proficiency in one of the most difficult and inhospitable languages on the planet. Inhospitable in that Japan is the most insulated developed country on the planet, just by tradition.

And about the movie, it's art with the explicitness of porn, but not the tastelessness. Most of the time the camera feels like it's just there, not gawking at their naughty bits, so I really can't call it porn at all. That's the difference to me.

And it's nice to see people actually acting well during a sex scene, which makes it a lot better than crappy Hollywood montages where the camera pans dramatically and the actors make it seem like sex was the point of the whole movie, even though it's an action movie, and I can feel the director leering at me behind the R rating like he's saying "You're welcome. Here are the boobs you came here for."

So I can confidently say they were some of the best sex scenes I've ever seen, only because they felt natural and not like they go as far toward porn as the MPAA will let them.

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I agree 100%. I don't think I could've put it better myself.

Thks for recommending Sada. Unfortunately I cannot find it anywhere.

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agreed.

This was just trash. It wasnt a study of anything at all. Just take a 100 minute porn movie with good photography and 2 actors, and you have this.

This is one of those cases where the graphic content made people think something deeper was there. But its just unerotic porn staring you in the face

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Please read this wonderful article on the criterion website before prematurely concluding this work of art to be "Glorified Porn"

http://www.criterion.com/current/posts/1108-in-the-realm-of-the-senses-some-notes-on-oshima-and-pornography

Did u notice how this movie does not turn u on????

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I saw it differently. Definitely not porn and very art house.

The film is about extreme and complete obsession of another lover. If we didn't allow ourselves to place limits to how much we loved and obsessed over the one we love, how far would it really go? Would you wind up having sex all the time to the point where you didn't eat, didn't leave the room, didn't clean yourself and didn't do anything productive in your life? Would you constantly keep searching for the next level in the relationship until you get into chocking, causing physical and emotional pain to each other in order to get to that next level "high" of the relationship and your obsessions? Would you ultimately kill your lover in search of that next "high"? Is that why we place unconcious limits in our relationships with our lovers? Is that why we want and need space and distance and "my time". It that why we accept that sex becomes boring and repetitive as time goes by. We accept that its normal to become bored sexually with the the one we love yet and the same time continue to love the one we love. Are placing limits and some distance between ourselves and the one we love the key to a long lasting relationship and the key to true love?

The film tackles all these questions and presents it in the form of extreme sexual obsession and extreme jealousy. It's presented in a very unconventional way and very socially taboo way. It was made 30 years ago and is still to this day, in the age of extreme acceptable pornographic distribution in our Western society, as socially taboo as it ever was. Quite frankly I find it a very gutsy film made by the film makers and the actors.

If you made the time and effort to seek out and see this film, then also try to open up your mind and rid yourself of the societal prejudices that your community has instilled in you and try to see beyond what is presented on screen.



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Yes, this movie is definitely pornography. Funny how some "erudite" people are trying to make it art house. Seriously! People were having actual sex on-screen, giving away their intimacy to millions of viewers. It's depraved at the highest level. But since many oversexed intellectuals abandoned moral standards long time ago, it's no surprise we are having this ridiculous discussion. Was the real sex in the movie necessary? No. Was real sex necessary in "Basic Instinct"? No and miraculously the movie still worked. So why did this movie rely so much on real sex? One answer: publicity! We would not be speaking about this movie today anymore. People fall so easily for shock value and reward gimmicky movies such as this one. Grow up!

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People were having actual sex on-screen, giving away their intimacy to millions of viewers. It's depraved at the highest level. But since many oversexed intellectuals abandoned moral standards long time ago, it's no surprise we are having this ridiculous discussion.

Nah, the real reason why we're having this ridiculous discussion is that some people have no grasp of what pornography even means.

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