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How in God's name does this only have 6.2 stars?


This is a remarkable movie. How? I mean seriously...

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Used to be a 5.9 when I started using IMDB. A lot of less educated viewers pass this movie off as "weird" without seeing how brilliant it is underneath it all. But yeah, it deserves WAY better than 6.2.

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I would understand maybe a 7.8. No more than that. But a 6.2? That's just flat out ridiculous.

"Where did you get the coconuts?"
"We found them!"

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Please make an argument as to why rather than just saying it's because of less educated viewers. It's unfair to those that wish to know why it should have a higher rating and perhaps understand why they should be considered less educated.

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And God's name is Tommy, right?

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If it makes you all feel better, it has an 86% at rottentomatoes.

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I'd give it less than a 6.2. I'm not dismissing it as too weird. It's just a flat-out bad movie. The directing is really ugly, some of the actors can't sing (especially Oliver Reed), and the story doesn't move along very well. The narrative freezes for each song, and it's just a bunch of campy visuals. Instead, it really should continue the story in its music.

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Each song DOES carry the story. And it does it very well. And Oliver Reed is not supposed to be a good singer. His voice is supposed to match the sleazy character that he is in the film.

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Yes, the directing and cinematography was quite sloppy, but it seemed to me that that was the point.

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"We found them!"

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Dreadful. Pretentious. Trite. Amaterish.

Shall I go on? How this waste of a movie got above a 3 is a mystery.

And lest you think i just don't "get" it, I saw it when it first came out. Yeah, as a teenager I thought it was cool. But I've grown up.

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Spectacular, visionary, ahead of its time. Russell's visual storytelling is extraordinary, a genuine sign of his maverick genius. The broad performances, particularly Oliver Reed and Ann Margaret, detail the passing of time, both time period and the emotional changes in the characters. Though Reed was not a singer, he acts the part and makes you believe that he's that man.

You don't like the film, fine. But to call it amateurish makes no sense. Especially considering how innovative it was and how Russell was the first to do many things in this film that have been totally digested by mainstream cinema and music video production.

Trite, too, does not make a whole lot of sense. Again, when you realize the year the film came out and how Russell's visual statements prophetically describe what will happen to pop culture in the next twenty years. The Sally Simpson sequence can today be interpreted as a satirical foreshadowing of Justin Bieber, and the entire preteen crew! Trite, I don't think so.

How this film isn't rated 9 .... is a mystery to me.

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Foreshadowing of Justin Bieber? There's always been some "idol" for pre-teenage girls to swoon over in the media. The visuals WERE brilliant for it's time though.
More than anything, I think it's the redone songs that really threw it for me. The only one I enjoyed as much was Clapton's Eyesight for the Blind, and a few others were okay.
I don't hate the movie, but I don't think I'll watch it again. I'll just take that time to listen to the album.

To each their own, I think it deserves between a five and six. A decent one time watch

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The Sally Simpson sequence, dylank381, satirically observes the pre-teen idol phenomenon (affecting girls and boys) you correctly say has always existed. I single out that sequence because it strikes me as being the film's absolutely perfect bit; a scene that may be taken out of the film's context and appreciated on its own. The edge of satire may be detected in most of Russell's work, for he could never give himself over to the cultural sainthood many great artists and figures have acquired over time, their lives transformed by eager biographers and fans into legend. The Who's TOMMY was arranged to give the story a satirical edge, as well. So Russell's approach is legitimate, as far as I'm concerned. Adapting the Who's music is also legitimate. Since a film narrative conventions where not what The Who originally considered when they created the album, a certain adjusting to accommodate a visual telling was necessary. Preferring one form over the other falls into the realm of taste; so be it. But I still hold fast to my original comments: Russell's approach to the film prefigures many musical devices we take for granted today in other musical film and videos. TOMMY is a visionary work, a film classic.

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I think non Who fans won't like it, or might dismiss it just because they're not Who fans, and don't know the music. Who fans on the other hand don't like it because it's a terrible representation of the original music.

That leaves Ken Russel fans (and maybe a few fans of the various guest stars) to rate it highly.

Me? A lifelong Who fan since the late 70's. I can't get through the movie. Though I do like the extended WWII sounding version of "Extra".

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I'm a huge Ken Russel fan and my parents played The Who records for us when we were kids and we loved them.
I remember everyone at the time saying this film was very boring and it is really.
Don't think I could sit through it in one go without being stoned.
The visuals are good in an artsy/stoner way but the sound, music and singing is pretty dire for the most part.
The plot is largely irrelevent (it's just an excuse for the theatrics) so no point saying good or bad about it.
Cinema was generally rubbish in the mid-70s so the fact that it got oscar nominations doesn't surprise me.
5/10 - Need a big fat blunt to watch this one.

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"Cinema was generally rubbish in the mid-70s so the fact that it got oscar nominations doesn't surprise me."

Are you kidding me with that? Films in the 70s - early mid AND late - were great and it's the garbage that is thrown into cinemas these days are what I and most other people would call rubbish. As for Tommy, it's not for everyone and as you have clearly demonstrated, not everyone understands its symbolism and multiple layers. It's a shame that films of today don't even have a fraction of Tommy's imagination and style.

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Why you would even respond to a person that hasn't a clue to the creativity of films from the 70's. He obviously does not know that films then were made by Studios and artists,pushing limits that would never be taken today.If one of their more creative films does not do well at the boxoffice, they had a few up their sleeve that would cover the not so successful ones.
Today the studios are run by big corporations whose only goal IS the boxoffice and the money.
This guy is an idiot. Don't waste your time.

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Zachlen: I agree, I just was trying to make a point. I know many people who think that the 70s was actually the best decade for cinema...ever. There are a few good films that are released these days, The Social Network and Toy Story 3, for example. But they are very few and far between.

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I agree with you about 70's cinema. Today it's the same movie made over ad nausium and these so called great actors playing the same parts over again. I just don't see any real entertainment value today.

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Seriously guys...the 70s was the worst for commercial rubbish, there are a few gems in there like Taxi Driver but this is not really one of them.
Cinema was completed owned by the big movie houses, there were very few independant movies made until the late 70s with the arrival of VCR which facillitated their distribution.

Despite having Ken Russel directing, this is a MAINSTREAM picture.
Recorded in Quintaphonic surround sound, staring The Who, Tina Turner, Elton John, Ann Margret, Jack Nicholson...jinkies, how much more commercial can you get???!!!

There was so much advertising and hype for it that I can still visualize whole streets plastered with with bare-chested images of Roger Daltrey.

Some people miss the 70s...I just miss The Wombles.

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@mrnecros

You are SO wrong about movies from the '70's---each decade has its god and bad movies---to claim one whole decade's worth of movies was rubbish just because you saw a few you didn't like from that era. Here's some classics from that era: THREE DAYS OF THE CONDOR, DAY OF THE JACKAL, THE FRENCH CONNECTION, SHAFT, THE BUS IS COMING,THE SPOOK WHO SAT BY THE DOOR, DOG DAY AFTERNOON, REPORT TO THE COMMISSIONER----the list goes on and on. Also, both commercial AND indie films were being made in the early days of film, before Hollywood even existed---check your movie history, please. Now go watch the ones whose names I threw out there! Hee Hee hee!

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Well it got 10/10 from me.

Better to regret something you did, than something you didn't do!

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It's gone up to 6.3. Deserves to continue going up and it seems it's been getting some more respect lately.

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Masterpiece...
Tommy, can you heare?

Also: Jack Nicholson singing... :D

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One of the coolest and deepest rock musicals.

To be quite honest, this stands very close to Pink Floyd's The Wall. Ann-Margret's voice is spectacular!

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Today it is at 6.3. It should be an 8 IMO and maybe one day it will be.

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What rubbish this film was, is, and always shall be. How Pete Townsend could have allowed this techniclolor abortion to come to fuition is beyond me, other than the (very distinct) possibility that he was much too stoned and/or strung out to care.

Wonderful and truly inspiring music, completely butchered by inept and/or soul-less and/or gutless musicians (for the most part). And don't even bring up the "acting".

I've seen it about 20 times or so, thanks to cable TV going all the way back to HBO's very early days in the late 1970's. It gets no better with age or repetition.

Oh, and I gave it a 3. I can't stand it, buzzed or straight, and I LOVE The Who....have for over 4 decades. If I watch it toasted, it's a buzzkill.

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I may be able to help explain. I saw The Who perform live before the film "Tommy" came out, back when Keith Moon was still alive. I cut high school the day "Tommy" opened in NYC to see the movie on its first day. So I was a huge Who fan who couldn't wait to see the movie. Most of my friends felt the same way.

But we didn't like it very much. It was OK, but not great. It wasn't how most of us visualized it in our heads. That wouldn't have been so bad - most movies based on other material (usually books) don't look exactly how you visualize them- but Tommy was off the charts. If it had been a bit trippier in a good way (and believe me, back then we used the term "trippy" quite literally) - we would have loved it. The Acid Queen sequence was decent, as was Clapton's Marilyn Monroe sequence and Ann-Margret's solo in front of the TV, but most of the stuff was too campy for our tastes.

The biggest downer was the music...for the most part it was second rate, a step down from the album. For about a year, the version of "Pinball Wizard" with Elton John became the radio standard instead of the original album version. Elton was OK, but not nearly as good as the original. Some of the instrumental score was good, but most of the songs were crap. Tina Turner was terrible, not necessarily her fault, but the arrangement was awful.

The worst part of the whole experience - which you can't tell from here but someone else on the thread alluded to - was the hype surrounding the movie. The promotion was intense, Tommy mania. One of the cool things about rock 'n roll when you're a teenager is that your music is kinda underground, outside the establishment, even outside the law. When it goes commercial and mainstream, it becomes instantly lame.

6/10 is about right, maybe 7/10 because of Ann-Margret's acting and The Who's original concept/music. But Ken Russell should have been tarred and feathered for what he did to a great work of art.

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