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Why was the father away for 5 YEARS?


For someone who didn't have any serious injuries besides some cosmetic scars on his face (he looked to have both arms and legs and walking perfectly) why was Captain Walker away for 5 years? The War ended in 1945 but he didn't show up until 1951...then he just pops up in the MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. How ridiculous is that?

I'd have called or let my wife know I was still alive before I just showed up again. I mean if you are recuperating in hospital you'd have plenty of time to pick up a pen and paper and write a letter wouldn't you?

But besides those plot snafus what did they do with the body after the wife and her new husband killed him?

Townsend never dealt with any of those issues.

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I'd have called or let my wife know I was still alive before I just showed up again. I mean if you are recuperating in hospital you'd have plenty of time to pick up a pen and paper and write a letter wouldn't you?


Sure.
And then there's no story of Tommy...


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Well, there are several ways you could look at it. Like that he was somehow unable to give any notice (which lead to everyone believing he was dead all those years), or it could have been that he actually was dead, and that scene only showed his 'symbolic' death (in that his wife consummated the marriage with another man).

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My theory is Captain Walker was in a mental institution, where he went either during or shortly after the war, with problems similar to those Tommy suffered. His wife Nora wrote him off as dead and told Tommy he was dead. Captain Walker returned, with enough of his marbles to have broken out of the institution and obtained a uniform, to have it out with Nora for not helping him recover, only to find her in bed with another man. Tommy's shock was at least in part from being lied to and betrayed by being told his father was dead, then seeing him killed "again" and told it never happened. I do believe that Frank and Nora disposed of Captain Walker's body and Tommy couldn't handle living with killers and liars. A bad dream or merely symbolic death wouldn't result in that level of trauma, though Tommy later connected to his father in a symbolic way.

Another possibility is Captain Walker was missing, presumed dead, but actually wandering about in a daze with full amnesia, or partial amnesia, so he was able to get to England, but not back home. Then one day he was wandering around downtown and saw a secondhand store, costume store, or dry cleaner's with a uniform like his, came to himself, put it on and headed home. He acted all shocked and betrayed when he saw Nora with Frank because he didn't realize five years had passed. He didn't see Tommy and if he had might not have recognized him as his own son. In fact, I might write it like that, Captain Walker actually sees Tommy and is like "who the heck are you?" and Tommy goes into shock and trauma as much from that as from seeing him killed.

For that matter, why wouldn't Frank and Nora institutionalize Tommy if he was that bad off? Because maybe they were afraid he would regain his senses and talk. They sought help years later when they figured he either wouldn't remember or any memory could be dismissed.

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Looks like you and I are the only ones who question this.
Seriously, what did they do with the body!
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I think the implication is that he suffered mental shock, and possibly lost his memory. That could easily last for 5 years.

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He may also have been a prisoner of war.

Look at Viet Nam. Some of the men STILL haven't returned or had their corpses found or identified.

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POW seems most likely. remember the scene when tommy's mother collapsed in the factory? clearly the letter said her beloved was missing and declared dead. i am assuming that he was captured by rebel forces after his plane went down and help captive for several years, considered dead until the consequences of the war were settled. many POWs were not released immediately; there was still opposition among those who would rather die for their cause.

though i agree that its a lazy component of the plot, there are resolvable conclusions.

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"Rebel forces"? Just which war are you thinking of?

If Captain Walker had been captured and held as a prisoner of war, it would have been by the Germans. The Nazis, remember?

In any case, I agree that it's not that important to the plot.

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If he was a POW freed by the red army it could have taken him 5 years to escape Russia
There is the unknown fate of thousands of British / American POW's that were in camps overrun by the red army. Who knows how many were kept as slave labor in Russia

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I agree, but I think an even more pressing question is "Why did they wait 10+ years to take the kid to see a doctor, I mean seriously WTF?"

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I don't think they did.

When they took Tommy to the Doctor (i.e. Jack Nicholson) they were rich and able to afford to see the best specialists.

No doubt they took Tommy to their GP or whatever when it first happened, it just wasn't necessary to show it in the film, just like they must of all gone to the loo several times a day but that didn't get shown either...






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It was not stated where he crashed, but I'm assuming it was in enemy territory...which could've been anywhere in Europe (those countries that were under Hitler's control).

Also, he probably had memory problems that made him incapable of remembering his wife and unborn son for those five years.

It could've been longer...

Even though Mrs. Walker received the telegram that he was killed, the body was never found. But then maybe the telegram said he was wounded in enemy territory, and not killed in action. In this case, she should've waited.

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Ok. we know from the timeline given that Tommy was born either on VE or VJ Day. Track back, that would have meant that Gp Capt Walker went MIA in about Sep 44.

Btw, the MOD telegram is all there in the lyric- he is missing presumed dead along with his entire crew. She is told to not hold out too much hope, as at the time Hitler was doing scorched-earth.

Most likely a pow, or having to make his own way back.

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Just bought myself a copy of the Special Edition - and tracked back to when TOmmy was conceived.

It would appear from the timeline that Tommy was conceived in about Sep/Oct 1944 - his parents conceived him just before the start of the massive airstrikes detailed here - http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/h170.html

That would place Gp Capt Walker as probably attacking major targets in the Rhine/Ruhr Basin etc - so NOT the easiest place to get clear of if hit. THinking about it - it's perfectly feasible that he was flying point on the Stuttgart strikes.

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Possibly interred by the Russians. They disappeared people pretty good.

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I've heard something along the lines of 20,000 British / American soldiers and airmen that went missing in Europe and are still to this day unaccounted for. Some might have died or been murdered in Nazi concentration camps and no records of them were kept, but others might have been recaptured when the Soviets overran Eastern Europe towards end of the war. The Soviets simply had no interest in returning allied troops home after WWII ended, in spite of the fact they were technically on our side during the war.

My guess is Captain Walker was trapped in Eastern Germany for 5 years, and somehow found a way to escape to the west.

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Some Allied prisoners 'liberated' from German POW camps by the Russians were not immediately returned to their home countries.

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I might add that many ended up in the Russian Gulag system never to be heard from again.

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I honestly feel...incredibly stupid about this, but since I was a kid (and I've seen this movie a thousand times) I always thought Tommy was just traumatized by seeing his mother and her lover in bed together, because I'd never heard the album, and the whole bit with his father in the scene represented a metaphorical death of his very world around him...

Sometimes I guess people read too much into things. But people have gone missing in wars for very long times, anyway, before. Him coming home at that point wasn't TOO bad. After all, it wasn't as if he were gone twenty years.

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