Why did they want him to quit?
I've watched this movie over 10 times and still don't understand why they wanted him to quit.
Why not waited it out he was up there in years?
Maybe 5 years he had left.
I've watched this movie over 10 times and still don't understand why they wanted him to quit.
Why not waited it out he was up there in years?
Maybe 5 years he had left.
He was becoming bigger than the game. In a game designed to illustrate the futility of the individual compared to the collective, Jonathan E was succeeding as an individual because he was just that good.
The rules were designed so the team will always triumph over the individual star. But that wasnt happening here. Somehow, Jonathan was able to win games for the team by himself.
This went against everything the corporate structure stood for. Bartholomew explains this in the Board of Directors meeting scene. A corporation is based on the individual being essentially an interchangeable part (my words, not Bartholomew). You may be excellent at what you do but you are replaceable. Without that hierarchy, the corporation starts to fall apart.
So Jonathan E had to retire to protect the fabric of that corporate society. The individual was succeeding and it was causing problems. They didnt want to do anything drastic like kill him, they just wanted him to retire. But he didnt want to retire.
But they didnt understand how tough he was and how much better he was than everybody else. So they failed.
I just re-watched this for this first time since I saw it in the theater-flawed but interesting. Excellent explanation for the OP.
don't understand how someone could watch this film so many times and fail to understand the purpose of the game and why they wanted Jonathan out.
"Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it." Norman Maclean
As cabal said, it is explained in the film, can't see how you missed it 20 times
shareIf it is a corporation based society, why would they want their most profitable player to retire?
The plot should have been about an old athlete that WANTS to retire, but the league's owners won't let him.
If it is a corporation based society, why would they want their most profitable player to retire?
The plot should have been about an old athlete that WANTS to retire, but the league's owners won't let him.
What I could never understand was the sense of urgency in wanting him to quit just before the final game of the season. What they were doing was analogous to an NFL team trying to cut their best player right before the Super Bowl. The fans would see that as utter lunacy.
Even if it was about showing the futility of individual achievement, they must have known he was a great player years before they made the decision to make him quit. They had years to discuss it, plenty of off-seasons to try to convince him to quit, any number of incentives they could have tried (such as giving him his wife back sooner or not even taking her at all).
They could have, at the very least, allowed him to finish out the season and play in one last championship game.
The fact that they allowed him to play all this time, and then suddenly switched their position and said "No, you gotta quit RIGHT NOW - and not another word about it," it made me wonder if there was some sort of growing dissension or internal division among the corporate elite. I can't see that a government would act so precipitously and clumsily without some indication that there's trouble in paradise.
It does seem stupid. Would they ask Tom Brady to quit ?
Are people so brain dead that they have to watch sports in order to be civically obedient?
What I could never understand was the sense of urgency in wanting him to quit just before the final game of the season. What they were doing was analogous to an NFL team trying to cut their best player right before the Super Bowl. The fans would see that as utter lunacy.
The urgency is that he is demonstrating that an individual can be bigger than the corporation. Thats the worst thing that could happen for the Board of Directors. He needs to get out of the game, immediately. He was always good but Bartholomew thought he would be just like everybody else and when the price was right, he would go away willingly. It became urgent when he would not step aside. He was showing again and again how good he was and that was hurting everyone.
The super bowl analogy does not work here. Unless the NFL has a social agenda I am unaware of, the marketing for it is centered on the individual. Rollerball had the opposite goal. The collective mattered more than the individual. It would be the equivalent of an NFL team cutting its best player because he refused to play for the benefit of the team and focused only on his personal stats.
That is a very well thought out post. I disagree with a few parts of what you said but I tip my hat to you.
I guess what's hard to fathom is that they knew he was good and they had years to plan for it. But the way it's shown in the movie, it's like they just woke up that morning and decided "Oh no, we've got a problem and Jonathon has to quit now."
But other than that, there was little indication in the film that the masses were unhappy or restless. Although they cheered for Jonathon, there wasn't much indication that it affected the overall perception regarding the futility of individual effort. There didn't seem to be any indication or immediate threat of war or the imminent collapse of their society. Jonathon himself certainly didn't see himself as any kind of threat to the executives.
The irony of it all is that the corporate executives were more focused on their own individual power and position, while losing sight of what would have been optimal for the collective.
That is a very well thought out post. I disagree with a few parts of what you said but I tip my hat to you.
Perhaps they misjudged the public response initially? Perhaps they thought the public would cool off? Whatever the reason, something happened which made them decide he had to go immediately. In my head, I figured they assumed he would be very willing to retire with certain privliges (who wouldnt want to not work and still enjoy the benefits of being a pseudo-executive?)
I would point out that it wasnt the individual power they were concerned about. There was no individual power. There was individual privileges but nothing about that structure had individual power. Even the leadership had no individuals. There was a corporate Board of Directors put in place, I assume, to keep power in the hands of the collective.
I think you can see part of it in the receptions at the party. Jonathan got a cheering crowd and the most powerful man in the world slipped in to a few greetings.
I see some of this in LSU football coach Les Miles recent situation. There are money men and powerful people who resent the underling who achieves fame and popularity while they are known in high places but relatively obscure to the masses.
The short answer is 'because they fear the power he can hold.' The corporation talks about the idea of disabling the idea of the powerful individual and replacing it with a reliant collective that is supposedly easily led by any body exerting the smallest bit of power.
The long answer is...well, it's hard to tell. One of the flaws of the film is how Rollerball is supposed to suppress the populace. On a bread and circuses level it does that very well. But by the time the movie begins, Jonathan E is already a star. He's already got the power that the corporations don't want them to have. In a way, the corporations hold power but the grip on it is weak. The whole point of Rollerball is pretty much demolished before the movie even begins. For something that is supposed to discourage individuality it's doing a really poor job, and I think that's the kicker: this is a society on the verge of falling apart not due to a lack of individuality but because the system created by the corporations simply doesn't work. The Bread and Circuses is failing badly and anything can upset this corporatist world that is slowly destroying bits and pieces of civilization not out of malice but of neglect. Cities are disappearing because a lack of industry. The computer that holds historical documents suddenly misplaces the 14th century. There is nothing about this future that works on any level, and even the corporate model is starting to collapse because the very means it uses to withhold revolt simply isn't working. And there are no solutions for it.
So the fear of Jonathan E in this regard isn't a matter of power but a matter of holding back the truth that Jonathan has found: there's something that has been dramatically lost in the world since the corporate takeover and it may be gone for good. This is part of the reason why Jonathan E holds on: it's not just because he doesn't want to quit, he doesn't want to quit because Rollerball is the only thing that makes his life make sense and a diversion from the reality that everything is falling apart. At the end, you can tell by his expression that he may have won his freedom to keep playing, but he hasn't won anything else. His wife is now truly gone. The game itself has unraveled into a glorified and elaborate murder plot. As he rolls around the remains of his teammates and rivals, he's opened up the world to realizing just how much of it has lost. It's not a victory in any real sense, but the dawning of discovery that will put the world into chaos. All Jonathan really wanted was to keep playing because that was who he was. What he found is that he was never going to win: the game was a sham and the freedom he seeks only showcases how far the world has fallen into disrepair.