the 6 trees on fire
There were 6 trees set on fire by the gun at the party scene. Any speculators on what this whole thing was about? Any particular meaning?
shareThere were 6 trees set on fire by the gun at the party scene. Any speculators on what this whole thing was about? Any particular meaning?
shareTo me, it symbolized the attitude of the rich and drunk. The rich factor allowed them to do what they wanted and not realize how destructive they were and the drunk factor showed them partaking in another activity that blinded them from what they were really doing.
share.............They blow the trees up, because they could.
True genius is a beautiful thing, but ignorance is ugly to the bone.
Here's my take,
The six trees were lit on fire as Jonathan and Barthalomew were exchanging arguing points. As they fought verbally and their conflict escalated, trees were being ignited, thus symbolizing that the conflict is getting more serious.
6 of them corresponds to Jonathan's number which is also the same number we see in the Prisoner to represent individuality which is a ky theme of the movie.
The obvious point that they are decadant party-goers just out for a cheap thrill and insensitive to trees (life, suffering, things of great value) that took decades to grow is also there on the surface. That, along with the fact they they are also unaware and insensitve to the greater issues being discussed as they romp around.
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The tree scene is simply a symbolic reinforcement of the struggle between humanity (Jonathan) and corporate utopia (trees), specifically they represent the actual corporations.
There are 6 trees. During the concession/flaming trees scene, we see 6 different trees get shot. (starting at 01:02:40) At 01:03:50, we see the first long shot which reveals all six trees. Four are burning (2 to go.) We then see the next two trees get shot, right before the final lines in the argument. As we hear the crowd yelling "Jonathon" asynchronously over the remainder of the scene, we see one more shot, but it goes in the dirt (no more trees get shot.) At the end of the tree scene, all 6 are shown burning in a long shot.
These are the corporations (majors) mentioned by Bartholomew in the first conversation with Jonathan E (22:31)
1. Transport
2. Food
3. Communications
4. Housing
5. Luxury
6. Energy
There may be some subtext here about decadence, environmental abuse, drunk rich people with guns or the aesthetic futility of neat rows of pine trees, but the main message here is a foreshadowing of Jonathan prevailing in the end.
Before the New York game, we see the 6 executives (trees) voting to kill Jonathon. (01:29:18) He survives, instead. Trees lose.
This continuity of six cannot be a coincidence, although it seems Jewison himself does not realize this, according to his explanation of the tree scene. Nothing in film happens by accident, so I doubt that's the case. I think he just didn't want to tell us and let the movie speak the message for itself.
It's all right there in front of us.
Wow, that's quite an analysis.
I just felt the scene of the drugged-out corporate types destroying the trees simply represented the "corporate world" vs. "the environment." Not too far from reality now, with corporatists (Romney) and the so-called "Christian" evangelicals (Perry, Bachmann) leading the GOP. Destruction of the EPA would result in the destruction of all protection of the environment - pine trees, rivers, mountains, lakes, streams, our air, wildlife. So corporations can do whatever they wish to do. Rollerball would no longer be science fiction. It would become "no science reality."
Dude means nice guy. Dude means a regular sort of person.
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oh yeah. makes sense.
shareWow, that's quite a premise there....I wonder how the rest of the world outside of the US gets by without the EPA.
And most of the themes in Rollerball, are a Progressive wet dream - utopia, central control and dicision-making on what is best for the collective, drugs.
Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?
I never caught the repetition of the number six before in this film. I want to think it's a nod back towards The Prisoner, but it is neat how it keeps coming up throughout the film in little ways. I really need to rewatch this movie again.
Also, good on not killing trees. I don't think it's bleeding heart at all, but we're talking about a movie here. No need for anything to get killed just because you want to make a movie.
My view on the scene is that the corporate world's control has robbed the populace of something important that they can't quite put their finger on. The movie gives us little hints that humanity subsists on nothing but drugs and Rollerball. When the party after Jonathan E's special breaks out the gun, it shows just how empty existence is: no books, no movies, nothing but getting loaded and being violent with some gun that seems to only exist as something to destroy but not defend. I think that's why the woman cries when the trees smolder out: she knows something has been lost, but can't even verbalize it. She just knows something is gone and it hits a chord in her but there's nothing that can really be done about it. The tree of humanity has been stripped of its leaves of art, literature, and creativity and left with a burning husk of living without living.
This is it exactly.
shareMindless destruction, as others have talked about. I first saw the movie when it premiered at the Cinerama Dome in Hollywood, and I can tell you that scene was absolutely shocking, a lot more than the actual rollerball scenes were. Nothing drove home more the idea of a decadent society that was so powerful that a tiny gun like that could make a tree go up in flames, and yet be so completely without a sense of purpose.
What others haven't talked about is how the scenes of the trees being destroyed is intercut with Bartholomew telling Jonathan that he didn't need to understand why he had to leave the game. If Jonathan hadn't felt the need to understand, he would have been no better than the people destroying the trees. The irony of the entire picture is that of all people, someone who perpetrates mindless violence in the rollerball rink is the only one who cares.
It is symbolic of the spoilt and wasteful children the all the controlling corporate nanny state created with no value systems except acting immediately on their own desires. The woman cries in the closing of that scene as a small child would when they realise they have killed their goldfish by taking it out of its bowl and are then overtaken bya mixture of confusion, loss and shame.
share6 was Jonathan's jersey number.
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