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Ex-wife WASN'T stolen by the corporation (+ what that means)


I used to think she was stolen, until I noticed a subtle clue late in the film.
Towards the end of her visit, Jonathan goes inside and watches romantic footage taken when they were together (which he soon erases). It's the same footage he watched earlier in the film, but with one important difference. Now we see that his trainer, Cletus, is also there in the romantic footage, at least for a few seconds.

What?

Ella must have been telling the truth when she said she left him because he was too involved in the game. We the viewers didn't believe her because she didn't have enough screen time to build up her credibility with us like the hero of the story had. Bartholomew also said much the same thing earlier in the film.
There is also a scene where a returning Jonathan is far more interested in seeing his trainer than his current girlfriend.

So what does this mean?
That Jonathan is wrongly motivated in his vendetta against the corporation. Yes, he smells a rat in their desire to have him retire, but he is already predisposed to rebel against them because he thinks they took his wife.

Taking this a bit further, I believe it also means the film is "secretly" against the hero instead of for him. As in, 'See what this mean individualist did to the innocent, undeserving Corporatocracy which was just doing what was necessary to survive.'

I know this seems like I am taking this too far, but doesn't the evidence support it? I would also like to make clear that I still think this is a great film and I'm not denying any of the great points many others have made on this board.
I'm just wondering if it's possible to make a film that is ostensibly a David vs Goliath tale, that is actually taking the position of, 'but if you understand what I'm saying, Goliath had a better idea.'

The elites in any multi-class society always have some justification for why they deserve to be there, they must be smarter or better in some way, the 'little people' are too stupid to rule themselves, etc....
You have to let the little people win in such a story, because they are the ones who buy the tickets to the movie, (and the rollerball matches).

But if I'm crazy for thinking this, please give an alternate explanation for the presence of the trainer in the romantic footage. I mean, c'mon, it looks like he was along on the honeymoon!

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Yes, Ella left of her own free will because she was offered a better deal with more money and better living quarters.

Yes, Jonathan refused to believe that she left on her own and preferred to believe that she was kidnapped.

When the corporation forced the runaway Ella to go back to Jonathan instead of calming him down he finally faced the truth. He realized that the woman he loved was a selfish, horrible creature.

That was why he agreed to the last game. He wanted to die. He gave the reason himself, everything he believed in was a lie.

But when faced with brutality, he came back from the brink and fought the company. The film ends with him becoming a real, political figure with international power and a threat to the company.

The film was always in Jonathan's corner.

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I'd have to rewatch to understand exactly HOW they presented the scene with the trainer in it. Was it filmed to SHOW and PROVIDE the difference in footage - like Johnathan NOW noticed the trainer there and her reaction or something, or was the trainer just part of the scene that went by meaning nothing? Meaning the trainer was simply part of the group he was with in and out of the office?

Interesting point you make though. A lot more could have been done over the wife and materialism and selfishness and love etc.

Far as the movie being all for Goliath, I don't think at the time it was filmed it was meant that way, BUT I do feel our social evolution since then may have turned THIS particular piece of cinema IN TO Goliath Is Right since that seems to be what we have chosen in todays world. Additionally, see my thread titled WHO NEEDS FREEDOM WHEN WE HAVE LUXURY.
Times have changes, not really good or bad, they just have.

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I never took it that they were on their honeynmoon. They were hanging out and enjoying life. I always just thought the trainer was a close friend of theirs who was also hanging out. Maybe he had a girl there too off camera. Maybe not. Maybe she is behind the camera.

But I dont buy he wanted to die. That would change the entire movie. And it wouldnt be consistent at all with the Bartholemew stuff earlier.

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In the scenes before he met up with his ex-wife, he was looking for answers. He wanted to find out the why about the corporations and the game.

He lost his best friend because of these questions.

He discovered that his ex-wife did not love him. This destroyed him because he built his whole life around the idea of winning and/or rescuing her.

So he is suicidal when he enters the last game. But at the end he rediscovers his humanity and his dignity. He realizes that he has become more than just one person, one celebrity but someone who can make a difference in the lives of his fans. Someone with power.

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From my POV you're definitely over-thinking a very simple story.

I always took it at face value that Ella was being honest when she said the corporation didn't force her to leave, that it was her choice... and that Jonathan was mistaken about that the whole time. His ego couldn't accept that she wanted to leave him, he fooled himself into believing someone else forced her to.

But it's not supposed to be some earth-shattering irony that "omg he was wrong all along, his rebellion is all based on a lie!" There is no subtlety in Rollerball's screenplay. If this was a point they wanted to make, it would have been spelled out in big flashing neon letters and shouted from mountaintops. Not left unsaid as subtext for some random guy to stumble across 40 years later.

The point of Jonathan's story is that he won't/can't submit to unjust authority and control, he can't help but resist it. He can't be manipulated. He's a manly man with a very strong will to power. Period. He has no specific motivation beyond that. I think it's pointless and silly to speculate that if his wife hadn't left him, he would have retired from Rollerball merely for the asking. The reason he lost his wife doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Apparently he was so into the game that she felt unwanted. My wife can relate to that whenever a new GTA or Halo comes out. ;)

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Whoa. Very nice incite into one facet that I didnt give much thought too, that being that your wife can be given to you by your employer and then taken at the whim of others.
You guys did a nice job of clarifying what the woman's role was in this film and some nice incites. It never occurred to me that these were more or less groupies and nothing more. I guess because Jonathan was inside a very sensitive man, who was not a psycho and felt the hurt that others might have shrugged off with a "just send me another Hoe and I will be fine" attitude.
Jonathan really cared for his wife and that was what was so sad about it.How many men and women have felt the sting of what they thought was an idyllic, not perfect yet not tumultuous relationship and finding out that you were the sap because it meant something other then personal gain for yourself, while being exactly that for the other partner. Some people know that their spouse married more for the money and comforts then love or respect and adoration of the other.
They go into it eyes wide open. Its the people lke Jonathan who get hurt because they are real, they are who they are, on the track and off.
In fact in my last job, my boss told me that he was getting a divorce and that his wife told him after 25 years and two kids that she never really loved him. I felt so bad for him I was on verge of crying. For someone to say that in those circumstances. These are the woman of Rollerball and I thank you for dissecting them so those people like me who thought it just an aside of the plot now see it in more layers then just the top.

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While it is true that the real reason for Ella leaving Jonathan and hooking up with a corporate executive is open to interpretation, I think you might be reading too much into the existence of Cletus in the clips with Ella.

Other than his teammates, Jonathan was shown to have no friends...other than Cletus. So why would it be so odd that his wife and best friend were in a home movie?

The rest of your hypothesis - sorry, not seeing the whole Goliath is Great meme in there. In fact quite the opposite - the world has become a sterile and vacuous place now that the corporations are running it. Jonathan is raging against the machine...so to speak, and the people are behind him. Which of course is why he is such a threat to the corporations.



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The OP makes an interesting point.

I think it just shows that the 'hero' (or 'anti-hero') is often selfishly motivated in films - and in history too! In 'The Hunt for Red October', Sean Connery's Soviet submarine captain is personally motivated by the death of his wife, so he has selfish motivations in delivering his submarine to Americans during the Cold War. He makes the right choice and does something good for world peace, but he does it for selfish, personal motivations. I think 'Rollerball' is a similar narrative.

I once read that Gandhi desperately wanted to have all the rights of white, British Colonial men in India. He even once dressed up in a classy European suit and tie, complete with top hat, hoping to be allowed to buy a first class ticket on a train. When it became clear he would not be granted the same social status as white men, he grew angry and led a movement to make India an independent nation. Gandhi might very well have been motivated by selfish anger and personal issues... but he stood up to corruption at the highest levels of power... just like Johnathan E!!

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Overall I like the way you're looking at this, but I have to point out that Sean Connery's character actually had TWO points that drove him.

My favorite scene in THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER is when he is speaking to Sam Niell in his cabin and explaining what he is looking forward to. Yes, he is certainly influenced by his wife's death--but he does say, "I have been at sea for 40 years. In a war that has no battles. No medals. Only casualties." That sounds like a lot of motivation for me. Not just his wife's death.

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