Rape???


I've never heard the word rape used in a romantic/erotic context like I did in this movie. I was impressed with Hemlock's smooth talk until he mentions that he never thought he'd rape a woman. I know that Jemima was a willing participant, but I found his use of the word very odd. Anybody else seen this used in a pickup/seduction before or find Hemlock's use just bizarre?

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If memory serves correctly, he said "I thought I'd given up rape". The way he said it was sarcastic, since she was clearly the one who was making passes. Remember, it was her assignment to get close to him.

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I think 30+ years ago, it was probably a way to talk dirty. Rape is repulsive today, and it should have been also in 1975. I'm sure it was, but it was probably just language of the time...like rough sex or somethiing. The movie was not p.c. at all. Hemlock talked about rape. He kicked the dog and called him a "prick" And remember the name of the dog? You cannot do that stuff in movies today

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Clint always liked to shock with his dialogue.

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The movie was not p.c. at all. Hemlock talked about rape. He kicked the dog and called him a "prick" And remember the name of the dog? You cannot do that stuff in movies today


Yes, exactly (although it's more that Hemlock shook the dog off his leg). Released these days, The Eiger Sanction would have upset all sorts of interest groups, even though it's quite an egalitarian and cosmopolitan film that features multiple interracial sex scenes, a slender and articulate black woman (remember, we're talking about seventies cinema here), and an athletic and empowered Native American woman. But remember, Eastwood sardonically wisecracks at one point, "I wish Custer would have won!", a line that wouldn't fly in the current era. Likewise, the slender and articulate black woman is acerbically named "Jemima Brown" after the caricatured pancake "mammy."

As I indicated earlier, the 1970s constituted a culturally liberated epoch. The decade festered between the earlier age of primly straitlaced taboos and the subsequent era (beginning at some point in the eighties) when political correctness and special interest self-protectiveness again reduced the full spectrum of expression. But in the seventies, the old conventions and restrictions had dissolved and the political culture had become scrambled but not fully restructured in the midst of the chaos. Henceforth, there was a kind of "anything goes" openness about the kinds of topics that could be broached, the statements that could be made, and the language that could be spouted. Within this kaleidoscopic mélange and amidst the cultural upheaval, reactionary and radical mentalities sometimes became one, as it was unclear where the line between them stood, or if there even was a line anymore. A film such as The Eiger Sanction (Clint Eastwood, 1975) could thus seem both reactionary and radical, conservative and liberal, with the signals constantly crossing in amalgamated fashion. Is this film a testament to crude, red-blooded machismo and cold killing in the name of country, with treacherous women of color basically serving the erotic pleasures of the white male hero? Or is the movie a caustically deconstructionist take on C.I.A.-style operations and governmental machinations, exposing American Cold War conduct as fraudulent while amplifying and merging sexual, racial, and gender liberation? Are sexually aggressive women (the kind mainly featured in this film) a projection of masculine phobia or masculine enlightenment? Are blatantly acerbic racial jokes a sign of callousness or a manifestation of the willingness to confront stereotypes? Does featuring an immobile albino as the head of the C.I.A.-type apparatus make fun of disabled people or iconoclastically mock a once prestigious institution in American life? Is it all a complete set-up, or is there stinging candor behind the exaggerated representations?

The cultural and cinematic liberation of the 1970s allowed for such unfettered films where the signification of signifiers slipped into frequent slippage and exposed a vast array of fluid meanings for different viewers. Nowadays, society’s artistic motifs tend to be neater, because any ambiguous content that may slip outside an easily decodable box is likely to draw someone’s ire and threaten the commercial prospects.

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The movie was not p.c. at all. Hemlock talked about rape. He kicked the dog and called him a "prick" And remember the name of the dog? You cannot do that stuff in movies today



Which is why I loathe newer movies and love older ones: They just didn't have to worry about all the PC idiocy.

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also, Miles advises a girl not to let his his dog RAPE her. Also, they did some RAPElling.

What the $%*& is a Chinese Downhill?!?

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Anybody else seen this used in a pickup/seduction before or find Hemlock's use just bizarre?


Simply put, it was a less politically correct time and a rawer era in terms of language. I don't know how true-to-life that kind of line would have been (it probably was not very realistic), but the movies of the day were more ironically iconoclastic, with reactionary and radical moods often seeming to fuse amidst the political confusion. (Remember, the 1970s marked the decade between the virtual end of the F.D.R./New Deal Era on the one hand and the onset of the Reagan/Republican Revolution Era on the other). Employing a term such as "rape" proved self-consciously reactionary (almost mocking the feminism of the time), yet self-consciously radical (its outrageousness and crudity thwarted the conventions of polite society and social deportment).

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what was the dog's name?? I forgot.

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what was the dog's name?? I forgot.


"F*ggot."

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Wendi14501,
I suggest reading both Thomasco's and joekiddlouischama's responses on this thread. It seems they've bothered to put a little thought into this as opposed to taking the line literally:
"The line dosent fit at all with the situation."
As you say "Political Correct Speech [is] used to control the people." I guess you chose to prove this by example, reacting without thought and according to your training. Whose a good Wendi140501? Good girl? Here's a biscuit (that is figurative and not literal by the way).
Now, maybe I'm being a little too literal minded myself but I'd like to know how Eastwood is a right-wing "misoginist." The only implied reasons that I can make out from your post is because he ended his relationship with Sondra Locke and "put out the word to everyone to blacklist [her] in Hollywood." Not only is that statement potentially libelous it seems more likely to describe a jerk than a right-wing "misoginist." Unless Eastwood is getting multiple women blacklisted after ending his relationship with them and voting GOP at the same time, I don't see the connection.
Are you getting this from an autobiography by an actor crying victim who ironically enough, played very strong iconic woman, ones that never let themselves be victims. If this is the case, then maybe you are confusing Eastwood for some of the more right-wing characters he's portrayed. Both Locke and Eastwood are talented at their craft so I can see how you might mistake fantasy for realty. Especially if you are very literal minded.
At the risk of being labeled a misogynist or right-wing for that matter, I'd like to point out that it is the device of PC exploiters to attack others by calling them things like misogynist, racist, homophobes, left or right wingers, etc. This usually either ends the discussion or degenerates it into name calling (both of which are the refuge of idiots). It certainly does not encourage growth or incite. So maybe we could try a little more listening and a little less labeling.
Lastly a couple factoids about Locke: She was not a director when they met. Her feature length directorial debut was Ratboy in '86 well after they had been coworkers and lovers.
And as part of her palimony deal, Locke scored a directors gig. How one can make a studio give you a job because you got dumped is anybody's guess but I think this is much more likely a cause for Locke's blacklisting.

And as a peace of advice from the film itself:
George Kennedy's line to the journalist.

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I found that very jarring as well. I expected Jemima to counter with "Not if I rape you first" or something to have the upper hand, but it didn't happen. The rest of their dialogue was clever and seductive, but that line was a buzz-killer. It was pretty obvious she wanted him from the start, and that line was just plain clumsy.

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But when she grew up, she wasnt brainwashed into political correctness. It was a funny joke.

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I hadn't been with my girlfriend (now my wife) very long when I went to her company Christman party with her, and she cornered me and told me that my outfit looked so good on me that she was considering raping me.




Should I have called the police?

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