The British Grenadiers


When the locally raised Company is doing it's demonstration in Barrytown,the British Grenadiers is being played.Would that have been accurate?They were not a Grenadier unit.Just a local militia.Wouldn't they have had an Irish marching song?

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It dates from the late 17th century or the very beginning of the 18th, so it is possible that they could have played it. It was apparently introduced to Britain by King William. Its use wasn't restricted to any particular outfit, though it came to be associated with several.

And in theory, a militia unit could have had a grenadier company, though you're correct, we don't see on depicted, only musketeers.

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While under the yoke and as vassals if you will it did not come under the boot until the act of union. 1801.

This is why so many of us can point to the fact that the only time Ireland was ever united on paper was under the act of union which was good for 120 years [approx]. Had it been left to its own devices it may well have become united, but under the biggest baddest thug who would win through. This is how most nations have developed. Ireland would have always been a thorn carrying out the raids and taking slaves. Nowadays they still do that in mainland Britian but it is the way of those tinkers, didycoys and travellers in general and requires a lot of finance to find and punish. Mind you it may seem under the british desire to be seen as all things to all men they can claim this to be part of their religious tradition and culture. No I don't have a problem with Paddys as I am one [reluctant] but I do have with Tax avoiders and outright cheats which includes many high born and high earners.

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Just saw this movie last night. I noticed "The British Grenadiers" tune in this film is very similar to the marching tune that appears in British army scenes early in Mel Gibson's The Patriot, though there are significant differences between the two tunes. Is the one in The Patriot also "The British Grenadiers", or just a superficially similar tune?

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Barry's outfit is regular army, not militia. In those days it was common for companies of regulars to be raised in an area by a local gentleman who wished to command it. Several such companies would be banded together to form new regiments and quite a bit of that was going on in Ireland during the 2nd half of the 18th Century and the early 19th century; thus the high numbers many Irish regiments of the British army had, such as the 83rd, 86th 87th, 88th, 89th, 100th and 102nd.

Once Catholics were allowed to take the King's Shilling Irishmen flooded into the British army, and into English and Scottish regiments as well as Irish ones. The company of the 24th Foot, an English regiment, that defended Rorke's Drift in the Zulu War ( the incident shown in the movie Zulu) had 13 men with Irish names.

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