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About these 150,000 survivors in the Scottish Highlands...


Did these people survive simply because it's so remote in the Highlands, that the virus was never carried there? I find that slightly unbelievable because cities like Aberdeen and Inverness serve as hubs to the north east of Scotland and the Highlands respectively. Carriers would take the plague with them all over the place. Does this mean that these people were never exposed to it? That would mean they'd die as soon as they came into contact with anybody from the lowlands of Scotland or England. Look what happened to those religious types in Gone To The Angels - they were isolated, but as soon as they met survivors they contracted the plague from them and died soon after.

Going by the logic in this episode, hundreds of millions could've survived elsewhere in the world.

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It sounds like a serious plot hole. Apparently the storyline about Scotland would never have happened if Terry Nation hadn't walked out. As one critic said, the show ended up being full of continuity problems.

This might be the longest of long shots, but maybe the larger immunity in Scotland had something to do with the colder climate? Consequently, people living in Scotland had better resistance to the plague. Like every other survivor in Britain, they developed the initial symptoms but managed to fight it off. Apparently it's impossible to get a cold in the North Pole because it's too cold for the germs. I feel like a creationist trying to make Noah's Ark sound plausible.

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Agreed. The writers in series 2 and 3 seriously downgraded the lethality of the plague by suddenly having 150,000 survivors in one part of Great Britain. Why not, then, thousands still left in Cornwall, Dartmoor, Northumbria, Wales or the Yorkshire Dales? Parts of these places are remote and inaccessible as well.

Don't get me wrong, the last ever episode was a good story but utterly out of sync with the premise of the series.

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I often find series 2 and 3 get way more critism than is deserved, maybe the plague has died down by then? i mean when was the last time someone had the plague before that point?


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Don't forget that as viewers we're in the same boat as the main characters. Trying to find our way with only a vague idea of what happened and learning as we go.

In reality with a deadly disease there would be places that it wouldn't reach, because by the time it became obvious that such a disease was doing the rounds on that scale, governments would be closing airports/ports, restricting travel, etc.

Could there have been 150,000 people in the rural areas of Scotland? 150,000 sounds a bit over the top, but the basic idea (that there could be larger groups in more isolated areas) is sound.


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I just finished watching the complete series so it's still fresh in my mind...

When they got to Scotland in the last segment of episodes and the "laird" said there were about 150K people still alive there, I had a WTF moment! It's not like Scotland is an island or anything (even in the 70's). The plot went to great pains in the first season to establish how lethal and contagious the virus was, and even in the 2nd and 3rd seasons they're still concerned about it being a killer. It would have decimated every big and moderate sized city in Scotland just like it did everywhere else on the globe, and probably every small hamlet and burgh, too, because people fleeing the cities would have carried it with them.

And when the main characters do reach Scotland, no-one there seems to be taking any precautions at all--they invite everyone into the manor for pints and darts! Seemed like a major fault with the show's runners losing a grip on what their predicament had been and still was, that is, the whole damn premise of the show.



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I suppose 150,000 out of the total population of Scotland is not much. It's possible that those who survived were living in the western isles, the Hebrides etc. By the time the extent of the panic was known about in the big Scottish towns, those islands could have quarantined themselves. Once things had died down, they could have sent parties back to the mainland.

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How do we know that figure is accurate.
That figure came out of the mouth of a seemingly Anglophobic Scottish Laird.

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I doubt they'd survive the plague or be any less exposed to it, no. But at the same time they're remote enough to be far away from the more conventional disease and industrial pollution hazards of the major urban areas, which would probably do much to decimate anyone lucky enough to survive the plague. Being rural dwellers they probably have more idea of what they're doing than a bunch of middle-class urbanite wannabes like most of the main cast.

There's also the reason claimed that they're somehow a bit more traditional and basically base around the laird as authority figure, so it was easy for those that remained to carry on- not too sure how true this is and how much is fancy.

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If they hadn't been exposed then they would have eventually caught it wouldn't they? In one of the earlier episodes the three 'angels' went up into the hills after they foretold the plague. As soon as they make contact with the survivors they are then infected and it is determined that those who survived remained as carriers of the plague. Assuming this to be true then the only way to get around the plot hole is that they were wrong all along that they were carriers. It was early enough in the series whilst Abbey was still in the fray and the most likely conclusion was that she brought something with her that carried the infection still. However, this doesn't explain how those in Scotland were also not infected in the same way. They were not so remote or isolated from those in the community that did get infected were they?

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Lots of redheads in Scotland (and Ireland), maybe having the ginger gene could give you a higher immunity to the virus.

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