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I don't think Lucien should have been executed


And I am Jewish!
Although he participated in the Gestapo, he did participate in activity that would seem redeemable, in my opinion, from execution. He should have been imprisoned, but I don't think he should have been executed...yes I know it's a movie...
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-He kills the guard who was going to send France and her grandmother to a concentration camp.
-He defends France when people give her a hard time for being a Jew.
-He takes France and her Grandmother to safety

Most people are regarded as heros when it comes to WWII history if they kill a Gestapo guard and save Jews from being sent to a concentration camp. I never really felt he was really a bad guy...there were moments where his character seemed "bad" but I don't think his heart was really into the gestapo.

"And then I was being chased my an improperly filled in bubble screaming 'None of the above!' ".

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Maybe so, but what about when that woman was screaming at France during that dance and he defended her?

"And then I was being chased my an improperly filled in bubble screaming 'None of the above!' ".

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Maybe it's because I'm Jewish or something but I don't think France's character not only did not look Jewish, but she really did not seem to endure terrible treatment from anyone. All those men were all over her at that party, some remarked on her beauty as if she was "the exception", she was okay to have around. Probably so because she was an Aryan Jew. If her father was not the Gestapo's tailor, and Lucien brought her anyway, I doubt anyone would have known she was Jewish at all. That being said unless she had a huge gold star of David on her sleeve, I don't think there was any intention by him of trying to send her to a concentration camp, or cause a stir.

I don't think Lucien's character was of malice or anything evil. Just someone who is easily influenced by others. I mean, look at kids who join gangs in the modern world, are they "evil" for trying to fit in, and are not unable to think for themselves? Sure, they're stupid for getting themselves caught in a bad group, but they're just lost, and I think the same for Lucien. Maybe this is true for all people involved in the Holocaust. People get caught up and loose themselves, forget who they are, doesn't mean it defines them as a person. Hitler was insane so there's no exception there. I think once you join a group like the Gestapo it's kind of hard to turn away from, because they'd probably kill you, because they'd presume you want to join the French Resistance. Maybe that's why Lucien stayed?

"And then I was being chased my an improperly filled in bubble screaming 'None of the above!' ".

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France's father had false papers, pixienat, which were torn up by an official near the end of the film because they didn't have "Jew" written on them. So when, as you say, people "did not look Jewish" and had false, Gentile identification papers (and non-stereotypically Jewish names) then they're not going to "endure terrible treatment from anyone".

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pixienat, I am French, and always assumed that Lucien was shot during the "épuration" (extrajudicial executions which took part after the war) for having fought against the résistance. WWII was about more than Jews versus Nazis.

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Wow nice spoiler title.



~ Observe, and act with clarity. ~

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Have you ever heard about SPOILER alert?

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Thanks for the SPOILER!!!

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Lucien doesn't shoot the guard because he wants to free France, he does it because the Nazi bullied him and he wanted revenge.

The fact that both are witnesses to what he did puts him in danger plus he still wants to bang France, which is why he takes them with him (though you should note that he was willing to ditch the grandmother)

Ultimately anything he "did for France" was really because he liked her. In the end the few things he did the try and "redeem" himself (as I argued above he really isn't trying to redeem himself) does not change the fact that he collaborated with Nazis for selfish reasons and betrayed his country.

There’s no one on IMDB I care enough for to use spell check- suck it grammar Nazis

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Well, I'm not Jewish, nor does it matter. This movie was quite immersing. But you know what? F&%k Lucien. He was with the Gestapo, the worst of the worst of the already worst Nazi's. As a naive (stupid) kid, he maybe didn't "fully" realize what he was getting into but - too bad for him.

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And the fact that he was juSt "easily influenced by others" is no great argument to save his life. This is not a long way from the argument used by the Nuremberg defendants and concentration camp guards - " we were just following orders", which basically boils down to "it was them or us, and if we even LOOKED like we were against whatever treatment was ordered from those in charge, we'd be killed".

I've never seen The Sorrow and the Pity, but I want to now - I'm guessing, from Robert Osboenres intro to Lacombe Lucien, it will shed some light on Vichy France and Nazi collaborators in France at that time.

"You're a cookie full of arsenic...I'd hate to take a bite of you" - J.J. Hunsecker

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He was much worse than just a naive kid. He was clearly a sociopath, exactly the kind of person who would have been a collaborator. He took pleasure in hurting animals, not just for food (see the slingshot/bird scene), and people. The OP credits him for saving France, but as others noted, that was really an afterthought for him. He only cared for France in a lustful way.

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No offense, but you sound like an idiot with no sense of basic logic. You really didn't understand this movie at all did you?
You think he saved them out of any noble or empathetic motivations? Did you miss how he just stood by, going along with everything, until the officer took away the watch?

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