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Why does Michael disapprove of Merle and force Connie to break up with him...


when Merle does nothing wrong at all?

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Nothing I remember from the film explains it. I theorize that he had Tom Hagen do some background research on Merle and the resulting report was negative. Seems like the kind of thing Michael would do.

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No because Michael tells Connie he does not know Merle. "I don't know how he lives"

All they know is that Merle is not wealthy or Connie would not be asking for money. Seems like they would have hated him anyway.

Hey they are low life mobsters. Assholes.

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I took it as Tony Soprano said "you stay with your own!" type of thing. Merle and Deanna (Fredo's wife) stood out like sore thumbs during the dinner after the communion. The daughter and now the sister of a mob boss, can do WAY better than Merle Johnson! He wasn't Italian and couldn't even afford to book passage on the Queen. lol

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What pissed me off was the mom insulting him behind his back in Italian. He did not deserve that. She did not know him.

Merle was never disrespectful like Fredo's wife.

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Merle was a piece of shit. Michael took one look at him and knew that instantly. Sure, mobsters are pieces of shit but at least they provide for their families. Merle was in his mid 40s and couldn't take Connie on a cruise. What has he been doing for the last 30 years? Even if a man lost his money in some sort of tragedy, a real man wouldn't let his girlfriend beg her brother for money to pay for both their vacations.

I would shovel shit if I had to in order to provide for me and mine. Merle was a leach.



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You sure know a lot about Merle. Where in the movie is all of that? Michael said he did not know anything about Merle how he lives or earns a living. But you know?

Where did you get that he is a bum with no ability to earn a living? He was not able to provide Connie the lifestyle she was accustomed I get that but that does not make him a piece of shit. He could just be normal like us? He could have been a teacher for all you know.

I like how Connie who never worked a day in her life gets a pass.

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But you know?


I do, yes.

Where did you get that he is a bum with no ability to earn a living? He was not able to provide Connie the lifestyle she was accustomed I get that but that does not make him a piece of shit.


Sure it does. He's in his mid/late 40s and shows up with Connie to ask a man he never met for money to go on vacation. Piece of shit.

He could just be normal like us? He could have been a teacher for all you know.


Yes, but regardless of where he's been up until now, he goes to a man he doesn't know and wants this guy's money to take himself and the guy's sister (who he's playing hide-the-salami with) on a nice ocean cruise. Piece of shit.


I like how Connie who never worked a day in her life gets a pass.



Not from me: she's no better and is likely worse, but I didn't post my opinion of Connie, only Merle.

In any case, this is fiction and Merle was meant to be a piece of shit, one that Michael was written to have immediately identified (correctly).

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A cruise to Europe is hardly an.ordinary vacation . Maybe Merle was just an.ordinary guy with an ordinary job.

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Putting aside Merle for a moment, Michael and Tom both realized that Connie was not in the right state of mind to be making important life decisions. She obviously had never gotten over what had happened with Carlo and was still lashing out at her family over it. For months at a time she would disappear, not having any contact with her children. Michael mentions that she had just gotten divorced from one mistake and was already making another one. And to top it off, she obviously drinking way too much.

And then there's Merle. The non-Italian man who had just met Connie and was already wanting to marry her. It's pretty clear that he doesn't have any money, because he has no shame in going to her brother to ask for some. Michael yells at Connie for hanging around men who treat her like a whore. I would add that they also see her as an ATM. So, Michael makes it clear to Connie that she won't be getting any money and will be cut off from the family if she marries him right then. We never see Merle again, so its a safe bet that he bailed once it became clear there wasn't going to be any money for him here.

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there's a deleted scene which takes place immediately before this, in which one of Sonny's daughters wants Michael's permission to marry, and the groom-to-be happily answers all Michael's questions about his family and future plans and is 100% respectful to Michael. They're not asking for money, just Michael's permission/blessing. It's shown as the appropriate way to handle the situation.
It's a pity they cut that scene because it contrasts perfectly with Merle strolling in and demanding someone get him a drink while Connie doesn't ask but tells Michael that she's getting married.

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Good point about the deleted scene

It's worth note, too, that Michael has also researched his niece's boyfriend's background and already knows he's independently wealthy thanks to his family.

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it's also a rare glimpse of the old Michael. Genuinely warm and affectionate with his biological family, almost jovial (saying "you'll be next" to her twin etc) - maybe it was deleted because they felt that by this point Michael was already too far gone to be like that

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I remember that scene in the film.

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