A Masterpiece, really?


C'mon now. The Godfather was a masterpiece. Apocalypse Now was a masterpiece. This movie is not a masterpiece. Those who want to believe The Conversation is a cinematic masterpiece are the same people who look at a piece of canvas splattered with paint by a monkey and pontificate about how deep and meaningful it is. The same folks who believe they are wine
aficionados and can't tell the
difference between a $100 bottle
and a $10 one while blindfolded.
Coppola has pulled the wool over
your eyes with this pretentious,
self indulgent film and you fell
for it. A waste of the acting talents of Hackman and Cazale.
for it

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I had great expectations before watching it and I kept looking at the time meter anticipating its end. Waste of time and a nonsensical movie and completely undeserving of its rating and lore.

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Ok shut it down guys. He doesn't think it's a masterpiece, that's now a fact.

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This film is about as straight forward as it gets, what's supposed to be pretentious about it?

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Well that's exactly my point. It IS straightforward. It's also unengaging, dull and has dialogue that feels unnatural. It's pretentious because it pretends to be this "deep" film which paints itself as this "intense character study" and social commentary. Viewers, especially the film critics, who are afraid to call this film out for what it really is for fear of being lumped in with "people of average intelligence who can't see the forest from the trees" are the same people who pretend to see the deepness in some modern art pieces,or worse, actually believe it exists. Meanwhile they're the ones getting played the fool.

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"Viewers, especially the film critics, who are afraid to call this film out for what it really is for fear of being lumped in with "people of average intelligence who can't see the forest from the trees" are the same people who pretend to see the deepness in some modern art pieces,or worse, actually believe it exists."

...and you know this how, exactly? You think people and critics are "afraid" to "call the film out" rather than genuinely enjoying it?

There are some purportedly great films out there which are, indeed, a slog to get through. The Conversation is not one of them. It is absolutely and singularly committed to its character study, and it's this commitment that makes it unique and enduring. The dialogue, to the contrary, feels entirely natural. It's *about* natural conversation and the ways we interpret it.

There's an obviousness to pretentiousness in film. The Conversation has none of that obviousness. It needs not pretend, because it has a rich story to tell and gets on with it. The greatness of the film is precisely its rather low-key, humble quality. Pretentiousness usually exists in films that shoot way, way high and clearly misstep from the very beginning. Coppola was terrified Apocalypse Now was going to be seen that way when all was said and done (and some do). I would argue some of Chris Nolan's movies fall into the "pretentious" category simply because he knows they need to be "awesome" without first being "good" (and there are is major difference there).

If you're more specific about how the film fails, that will help explain your position. Your rant is really pretty flimsy against the film, because you don't explain the "whys".

Please nest your IMDB page, and respond to the correct person -

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You just invalidated everything you said with that Christopher Nolan remark.

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Firstly, there is no logic to this statement whatsoever - he made several independent statements so even if one of them is off the mark, it has no bearing on the astuteness of others. Secondly, Interstellar, for instance, practically defines "pretentiousness" - a film of epic ambition with no intelligence or solid writing to back it up; just banality and sappy sentiment. All Nolan's recent movies are like that, albeit to a lesser degree.



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I feel very annoyed when someone calls a film pretentious, but if there is one film for which that word applies, it's got to be Interstellar.

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Hackman gives a good different performance and the murder part and that's it.
Masterpiece to me is beautiful cinematography, great memorable acting performance,repeat viewing,good story.

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