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Season 5 should start tonight (1/30)


Last week, METV showed the horrible (and often depressing) 2-part season 4 finale titled "Five for the Road". It was one of the worst storylines they could ever dream up (this is really when the audience could tell the end was near). Tonight, we should have back-to-back episodes of the beginning of Season 5...which has Ron Silver gone from the cast (no explanation) and Tina Molinari joins the costume company.

CBS aired 9 of the 13 episodes filmed, before pulling the plug on December 9, 1978. Syndicators aired the full 13. Season 5 is not on DVD yet.

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According to their schedule they are showing the 1st episode of season 5 tonight at 10 pm eastern, but then they are skipping straight to the 9th episode of season 5, The Total Brenda, at 10:30. The Total Brenda was the final episode aired by CBS during its original run.

Next Thursday their schedule is showing that they go back to season 5 episode 2 In Search of Martin at 10 pm.

http://metvnetwork.com/schedule/2014-1-30

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I wonder why they are doing it this way? Very odd. Tonight, the theme song changes yet again - to a more jazzy tune than in S4. I like it as much as I did S4's, though the jazzy theme has a more NY feel.

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season 5?

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Yes...Sept 1978 - Dec. 1978. Saturdays at 8 pm.

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I recall 4 original seasons. There were 4 extra months?

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The show was renewed for Season 5 in the Spring of 1978, and premiered on September 23, 1978. CBS moved the show from Sunday nights at 8 PM (where it was since January, 1977) to Saturday nights at 8 PM.

Season 5 brought many changes, once again, to the show. A new 'jazz' theme song, a new look for Rhoda (a permed hair-do) and Brenda (very thin), Martin has left Ida, and Ron Silver (Gary) had left the show. Tina Molinari joined as a new cast member, after leaving Gary's store she joins Rhoda at Doyle costumes. Also, the storylines are now mostly focused around "Ida". There were also rumors that CBS was ready to spin-off Brenda and Benny into their own series in 1979, and the focus on the second half of 1978 would be Brenda's wedding, and newly married life.

The producers managed to film 13 episodes of the show, yet "Rhoda" struggled in the ratings with the switch to Saturday nights, and the show was cancelled after the ninth episode ("The Total Brenda") aired on December 9, 1978. The network never aired the last four episodes, though they did air once the show hit syndication. (110 episodes were filmed in total, enabling it to be marketed in syndication).

Harper, in her 2013 memoir "I, Rhoda", said she wasn't upset when she got the call that following Monday telling her the show was cancelled by the network. She actually felt relieved, since she was tired of playing the same character each week since 1970.

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Actually,that 'permed' hair is Harper's natural hair. She straightens it.

So, there were 4+ seasons.(all the time we've been in the board,and subject hasn't seem to have come up)

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Oh..I thought she was being trendy with the hairstyle of the times!

Back in the late 70s, the frizzy perm look was the trendiest hairstyle for women, and many 'style watchers' have credited Streisand for setting that look in 1976-81 ("A Star Is Born", "The Main Event" and all her album covers from 1976-1981).

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According to my DVR, the descriotions for this week's RHODA eps go back to September/October, 1976. They are from the beginning of S3 - one is when they go to the marriage counselor, and another when the couple see each other for the first time since the separation.

S5 ended quickly, if this is true.

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I recall the permed look. I had read that Harper has naturally curly hair,and straightens it as a routine thing. She also let it go natural during her 80's court trial period(short and curly)
With the seasons,from having watched the show when it aired, I always thought it was just 4 reasons period.

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Lucky for me, the DVR gave the wrong ep description. They continued with S5 eps 2 and 3 (BOTH RATHER BORING).

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I just realized I had ME-TV, and last night being the first night I watched ME-TV, I was happy to see two episodes of 'Rhoda.' Both of these heavily focused on Ida-- 'Ida's Roommate' and 'Martin Comes Home.' It is almost like Nancy Walker is the lead in these offerings from S5, and that the two daughters (Harper and Kavner) are her supporting costars. In the roommate episode, there are stretches where Valerie Harper is off-camera and all the action does focus on Walker as Ida. I don't mind it. I think Nancy Walker is great fun to watch. But my guess is that the flavor of these episodes is not indicative of the series as a whole. I can't wait to see other episodes.

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I noticed that as well. I've often wondered if the producers and network were trying to spin "Ida" off on her own show that season, as well. I know they were intending on spinning off "Brenda" in March/April (which is why the stroyline went on about Brenda's engagement to Benny), and that would have left Rhoda and Ida. Harper's contract ended that season (her fifth) and she was reluctant to sign another since she was tired of playing 'Rhoda'. So I wonder if the network wanted to spin-off both Brenda and Ida, now that I'm watching the shows again - and realize the heavy focus on 'Ida'.

Actually, when Walker left 'Rhoda' for 'Blansky's Beauties' on ABC (1976), I think CBS dropped the ball. They should have countered the offer and spun off "Ida" then - and kept her at CBS. If the show failed, she could always return to 'Rhoda'.

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Good points. Using the IMDB information, I looked at all the episodes of 'Rhoda' for S5-- and by the way, some of the pages do not have episode descriptions so I had to visit TV.com-- and yes, many of these final season offerings have Ida playing a major role, if not THE major role.

Maybe it's because after she had appeared as the star in two other sitcoms just a short time earlier, the producers and CBS realized that she should be promoted a bit. My other theory is based on something I read awhile back about Valerie Harper and the way she did negotiations. She tended to hold out for more money when her contracts were about to be renewed (something she did on 'Rhoda' and again on 'Valerie'), so maybe the network and the production team decided to build Ida up in case Harper walked. Then, the program would have been renamed and focused on Ida meddling in the new marriage of Brenda and Benny.

By the way, Nancy Walker left 'Rhoda' at the end of the second season to star in two sitcoms for ABC. The first one was 'The Nancy Walker Show' produced by Norman Lear, in which 13 episodes were filmed. In typical Lear fashion, it had envelope-pushing themes and a major character who was gay, so that may have been what prevented it from staying on the air longer (not sure, just a guess). The first eleven episodes aired from Sept 30 - Dec 23 1976. A twelfth episode eventually aired the following July (after Walker's second series) and the thirteenth and final episode remained unaired.

The other show she did, which you mentioned, was "Blanksy's Beauties,' this time not produced by Norman Lear, but by Garry Marshall for Paramount. She appeared in an episode of 'Happy Days' on February 5, 1977 in order to introduce the new character and series. Again, 13 episodes were filmed and it aired from Feb 12 - June 27, 1977. So with 27 episodes total, she had a full work load that season. From what I read, her contract was not with Lear's company or with Paramount, but with ABC. So when the first program failed, she was quickly put into a second one. If ABC had not done that, then my guess is she would have gone back to 'Rhoda' in the middle of the third season. But instead, she and Ida (and Harold Gould and Martin) are absent the entire third season, before returning in the fourth season.

But by the fifth season of 'Rhoda,' she is very prominent-- and I do not think that would have happened if she had not left midsteam to star in those two other shows. I agree with your comment that CBS should have spun Ida and Martin off to prevent her from going to ABC in the first place. Maybe Harold Gould was not able to commit full-time to a weekly series at that time. The writers did not have any warning, and I think if they had broken Ida and Martin up so quickly to just spin Ida off solo, it would not have worked. I do think a show with Brenda, Benny and Ida would have worked. It's a shame they didn't get the chance to do that.

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Thanks for the informative post! I always thought 'The Nancy Walker Show' and 'Blansky's Beauties' was the same show - only revamped and renamed when it returned in 1977. Never knew they were 2 different shows - probably because I never watched the show.

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You are welcome.

The Blansky character was a new creation. They made her the cousin of Howard Cunningham (Tom Bosley) on 'Happy Days' who visited for his and Marion's 20th anniversary. This was all done to set up the quickly conceived spin-off, which of course did not last (though some of the cast members did find their way on to 'Happy Days' with more permanent roles, like Lynda Goodfriend and Scott Baio). Walker was only in that one episode of 'Happy Days,' and her character was never seen or heard from again.

I think it is significant that ABC aired another episode of 'The Nancy Walker Show' after 'Blansky's Beauties' ended. I bet if that broadcast had garnered high ratings, they would have gone on to air the other episode and probably reran them all. My guess is they liked the program, but mainstream America was not ready for a weekly series with a gay character (obviously a few years before 'Dynasty' and many years before 'Will & Grace'). So if 'The Nancy Walker Show' had caught on, then she would not even have made it back to 'Rhoda' for the fourth and fifth seasons.

Incidentally, when she quit 'Rhoda' at the end of season two, she also quit 'MacMillan & Wife' which she had been doing simultaneously on NBC.

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