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So she was pressured to do the butter scene though not held at gunpoint?


I just read the dailymail article and she was 19 (an adult) at the time. She said she was forced/pressured to do the butter scene but however she was not held at gunpoint to do it or threatened with her life. Forcing someone to do something is not illegal. By legal standards this would not meet rape because technically she was told about the butter scene a little while before filming it and though forced or pressured, she legally was an adult and thus could refuse to do it because government/society acknowledges that after 18 you are an adult so your decisions are on you. If she had been a minor then definitely it would be rape, though I believe the age of consent is lower in France; and if it was a College Proffesor forcing a 19 year old student then that also is probably considered against the law. But unfortunately it does not fit the legal standard of rape and I do feel sorry for her because though she was an adult her mental capacity seemed that of a 14 year old who felt pressurized into doing something she didn't want to. She said she didn't know that she could refuse to do a scene?!?! And she says that her agent or lawyer says should have told her she could refuse?!?! Better parenting would have told her that you are above 18 now so society or government is not going to protect you the same way it does to minors. I know Hollywood is pressurizing.

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Reread the article. She DIDN'T know what Brando was going to do. The director admits he and Brando planned it without telling her.

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They planned it without telling her and then told her apperantly before the scene. She says she was forced or pressurized to do the scene. But that is not rape. Unless they held her hostage or something which she has not said. She was an adult and this scenario also doesn't come under being influenced by a person of power aka professor/student relationship.

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its bad enough as it is. Actually a crime, officially.

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No, they never told her. The director says this. This is from his own mouth.

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I knew if I came here there would been a bunch of idiots coming up with excuses. Not even the director flat out saying they didn't tell her so they could get a real reaction makes a difference. Wow. women really do get treated like sh#t.

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She was fully aware that they were going to be simulating a sodomy scene. That's not what caught her off guard, but rather Brando's act of smearing butter on her backside before simulating the act. Forget that she signed on to be in the most graphic mainstream sex film ever made, one that they knew would be X-rated, one that required her to be nude throughout, one in which she would be simulating sex acts of all kinds. Ridiculous, this upset.

Bertolucci is likely just trying to incite new controversy, and it's working beautifully.

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So what if she signed on to be in a movie filled with sex. That doesn't give anyone the right to do things to her body without her consent.

"I will not be strong armed by threats against my laundry"

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Yeah but the actress said they did tell her which makes this case more beguiling.

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Her interview in Dailymail says they told her and tried to convince her right before the scene. It's from the horses mouth. Seems like both parties have differing views of what happened. In this case it's weird because the director is saying he didn't tell her while the actress is saying he did tell her. Read her Dailymail interview and don't just see the video of the interview of the director.

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Director: Come on, do it.
Actress: ...okay.

Three hundred years later.

Actress: Help I need a lawyer

Today is the day to say I love you to your best friend - chinese proverb

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Enraged feminists all over the world are trying to exploit this story. She didn't even say she was raped, she said that "she felt a little raped". I am not trying to disregard Maria Schneider's statement, because I am sure that she had every right to feel exploited and hurt. But Marlon Brando and Bertolucci didn't rape her and they are not sex offenders, they just sound like brutal pigs.

Nineteen is too young and nineteen year old people tend to succumb to pressure of influential people very easily and sometimes do things that are traumatic or harmful to themselves. Bertolucci and Brando should have been more attentive and kind to her.

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Forcing someone to do something is not illegal.
In which country? Because the U.S. has plenty laws against forcing someone to do something against their will.

Also, you should watch the video in the article at Elle magazine because in it Bertolucci blatantly stated that he and Brando decided not to tell Maria their plans for the scene because Bertolucci wanted a real reaction from her. That's rape.

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Forcing and being aggressive or feeling threatened are different. The actress clearly said she didn't know she could reject the scene (?!?!) and that her lawyer and agent should have saved her.

And I did see the entire video of Bertolucci's interview. Along with the interview you have to take into account what the actress said. Like I stated originally, they came up with the idea and told her about it a few minutes before filming. They pressured/forced her to do it. But that is not threatening behavior. Only if the actress said that she felt threatened then can it be considered rape. They took advantage of her nativity and yes 19 is young but legally it is adulthood so you have to start making adult decisions even if you've been coddled all your life.

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It sounds like "Somebody should've done something but me". Yes, that was a pig move from both these guys. But from what I saw of Maria, she gravitated to that kind of parts. She was almost in Caligula.

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Even if what you say is true, what you have described is rape by coercion which, in the U.S., is against the law and considered rape.

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There was simply no "rape" going on there. No penetration, and it was discussed prior to filming the event in question. No law on the books in the U.S. would have landed either Brando or Bertolucci in hot water for what took place.

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Read the thread "The real truth about the butter scene."

The first comment.

Women and I am one need to careful about too much outrage over a scene in a 40 plus year old film between 2 dead actors. What matters more is how the criminal justice system prosecutes rape cases and rapists in the real world.

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This is getting so ridiculous. Brando did not rape anybody. He manipulated and humiliated somebody, you know... for art, in the heat of shooting a very psychologically violent sex drama. That's bad. That's disgusting actually. But that doesn't constitute rape. It's bad behavior, sure, but let's stop throwing the word "rape" at any case of humiliation because THAT is an insult to real rape victims!

What happened is that they manipulated her by lying about the nature of the sex scene they were shooting. Was that a pig move? Totally. Ungentlemanly, not professional, whatever... Sure! But RAPE? Does anybody really think that on a big production like Last Tango in Paris an actress, the second star of the film and a rising star for years, was raped in front of the cameras, in front of the whole crew, the producers even? That did not happen. What happened is that before shooting, Brando and Bertolucci came up with an idea for the scene, told her about it just moments before the cameras started rolling (she said so herself...) She probably didn't say anything because she did not dare disagree with Bertolucci. Let's not forget that the nature of the scene, that she agreed to shoot, was already a violent sequence involving full frontal nudity and sodomy. They added the idea of the butter. So she was coerced into doing something she didn't want to do, probably felt dirty afterwards. She had remorse for agreeing to do it in the first place. She felt enraged and rightly so. But she wasn't RAPED, she was humiliated. Small consolation, I know, right?...

But I remember seeing old interviews of Maria Schneider in the 80s or 90s where she actually praised Brando and I believe that they stayed friends long after the release of the film. So people should really gather all the facts and think before they paint Brando as some kind of monster or sexual predator. He did something bad in the heat of shooting a sex scene, probably regretted it but he did not RAPE Maria Schneider.

And I'm pretty sure that if she were alive today, she would correct that and put an end to all this nonsense...

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I agree that it is a mistake to use the word "rape" to describe what happened. But Bertolucci admitted that he deliberately made her feel humiliated and angry, in order to capture anger and humiliation on screen, which is horrible, unethical and completely against the nature of acting. No movie scene, however iconic it might be, is worth a human being feeling humiliated, especially when such a sensitive matter as nudity, sexuality and violence is involved.

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http://variety.com/2016/film/news/last-tango-in-paris-rape-scene-consensual-bernardo-bertolucci-1201933117/
So she was telling the truth. The director threw himself under the bus

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