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Maria Schneider regrets 'the butter scene'


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July 23, 2007 -- MARIA Schneider - who was only 19 when she, Marlon Brando and a stick of butter filmed the world's most infamous sex scene in "Last Tango in Paris" - is still haunted by it to this day. "That scene wasn't in the original script. The truth is it was Marlon who came up with the idea . . . I should have called my agent or had my lawyer come to the set because you can't force someone to do some thing that isn't in the script," Schneider, now 55, tells London's Daily Mail. As they shot it, "I was crying real tears. I felt humiliated and, to be honest, I felt a little raped . . . Thankfully, there was just one take." She adds: "I never use butter to cook anymore - only olive oil."

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It's worth noting that she says she never uses butter to cook anymore.

Which isn't quite the same as saying she never uses butter anymore.

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Schneider's an idiot. That would be like Ned Beatty saying he'll never be filmed riding in a canoe again.





Sorry, I wasn't listening -- or thinking, whichever one applies.

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How is this worth noting?

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I can understand her feelings. It would be embarrassing to admit enjoying something intended to be so humiliating.

Following the release of the movie, I’ll bet she was propositioned a million times. Guys saw her in the grocery store and held out a stick of butter and asked "Care to Tango?"

Besides, margarine is better. It's both a lubricant and a laxative!

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Leave it to Mr. Brando to think up something like that...I guess with all that homosexual romping he did, that came from experience.

That is truly sad to know how she really feels about that scene. One could really, truly say that she was indeed raped. If what she describes is what happened, they took advantage of her naiveté and youth!

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by - cgm2812 on Wed Aug 1 2007 11:28:19

Leave it to Mr. Brando to think up something like that...I guess with all that homosexual romping he did, that came from experience.

That is truly sad to know how she really feels about that scene. One could really, truly say that she was indeed raped. If what she describes is what happened, they took advantage of her naiveté and youth!
Exactly my thoughts too. I've seen the movie on DVD just two days ago and it was not my impression that the feigned sodomy scene was one of eroticism. I think it was more about Jeanne's pain, physical and emotional pain – painful anal penetration and humiliation that she was being used that way, than anything else. Jeanne in that scene was not exactly consensual and the movie didn’t give a hint that she was used to being sodomized before. She was struggling to be free and she was clearly in pain, she was in tears, crying – obviously not out of ecstasy or sexual bliss despite the butter that Paul (Brando) – slobbered on her anus. It was he who dragged the butter towards himself by means of his foot while pinning down Jeanne (Schneider) in what looked like a wrestler's grip to keep her pinioned. It was he who pulled down her pants, while he remained fully clothed and simply groped his penis out of his fly – as inferred in that aerial shot of the sodomy scene. Jeanne (M. Schneider) is 5’3”, age 19-20, Paul (M. Brando) 5’10”, mid-forties, (as stated in their pages here in imdb) hefty, stocky, more or less 200 lbs in weight and with a beginning paunch. He was doing it all with such cold deliberation and emotionless efficiency, not as it seemed to me, at least, out of erotic arousal – but out of spite, for his adulterous dead wife who he ranted against as being a pig, his mother-in-law, his wife’s lover and others (how undeniably brilliant Marlon Brando was at these kind of things) and venting it all on Jeanne, seeing how taken she was – young that she is - with his emotional intensity and the excitement of having sex with a stranger like a moth is to the candle light. (could be just as insane as Paul)

Now, there are these threads with links of interviews with the now 55-year old Schneider saying that the scene was improvised by Brando, that the “butter” scene was Brando’s idea, and as revealed by Schneider, with Bertolucci’s consent and telling her about it just before the shot. Since the movie was made in the early 70’s, I am not surprised that the two of them got away with that kind of exploitation of a beginner. And how and why, in those days, innumerable derisive butter comments - that have become cheap - and now nonetheless derisive but has become just vapid, were then, and are now being thrown in Maria Schneider's direction.

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Again: Schneider can't possibly believe that the film would have been as famous as it did without the butter scene, any more than "Deliverance" would be as famous without the squeal-like-a-pig scene. Ned Beatty got over it, so can she. Or would she have preferred not to have starred in one of the most important films of the 1970s?




Sorry, I wasn't listening -- or thinking, whichever one applies.

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Very true! And let's not forget that poor mother@#*&er of a Marcellus Wallace!!! I mean, if the sodomy filmed is a fake one, then why not accept it as a bit of good acting? Every time I watch the Marcellus Wallace or the Ned Beatty scene all I can think is: they must have real guts and be great actors to film something like that in a so realistic way! So, why can't Ms Schneider accept her acting performance for what it really is, just an acting performance? Perhaps, her sodomy was a real one? I'm growing curious here....

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You are a very curious poster to begin with, mastodon.

Interesting that you concur with me on this topic but turn sniper on the Jenna Jameson board, where you obviously belong.

[Please note that Gnolti was the first on this thread to draw an analogy (no pun intended) between Schneider and Beatty, genius.]





Sorry, I wasn't listening -- or thinking, whichever one applies.

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Actually it's my favourite scene in the wohle movie, the movie itself is also one of my favourites.

The scene perfectly fits in the context of the movie because it expresses Paul's aggression. He needs that obscure form of sexuality in order to release his rage against institutions such as church, familiy, marriage, which is the central topic of the film at all.

Well, that wasn't the English of Joyce but I hope you understand my view though.

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Hey Real-Fliam
I liked your comment. I was curious about the long list of posts about the 'bad-ass butter booster' scene & liked what you said about how it 'expresses Paul's aggression' against society. It hit the nail on the head for me.
BUT too I think this film (for me) is a comment by the director about Americans & their inability to fit into other societies. In the past we have had such cherubic attempts at travel films in Europe with Mark Twain's "Americans in Paris" & this gives us a picquancy of the interaction, or lack of, Americans in Europe and the rest of the world.

So too, we see Art Garfunkel play an American Uni lecturer in Germany in 'BAD TIMING' (a must see!).
YUP! This tango is just a case of the 'boy nextdoor' American guy in Europe who can't get fries with that so he butters up the girl and feeds off her. But in Maria's case she seemed to regret it.

I feel that Paul's aggression is also due to his inability to understand the European mindset, where everyone has a lover & thinks very little of it. He obviously thought a great deal about it & took his negativity out on the next victim he met.

I still have trouble understanding why his wife committed suicide. Paul obviously loved her very much. Maybe it was the sex (or lack of it)?
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Well, it seems like she was taken advantage of and it is unfortunate that she felt humiliated.
The question is, did she know beforehand what was going to happen or did Brando actually pin her down and force the simulated sodomy on her?

It is doubtful that 'Last Tango..' would have been as popular without the 'butter in the butt' scene, so it worked out in one way.

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I've never actually seen this movie, but I think it's disgusting how you people can just nonchalantly tell Ms Schneider to "get over it". Any form of forced penetration of another human being, constitutes rape. It's immoral, inhumane and despicable. Why should basic human rights not apply to her just because she's an actress? She was told to do something she wasn't comfortable with, she was taken advantage of, and that's how she feels. You can't just "get over it".

What do you people think women are?


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it obviously wasnt real. ive not seen this film but actors n actresses dont *beep* on camara let alone let someone shove butter up their ass u bum love them. even if she was told just before the scene, she did it, it was her job, she is famous for it. many people regret doing stuff but it doesnt make it wrong or immoral. jesus next time you will be on the star wars website saying "why did george make mark kiss his sister, carrie?" you retard

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Obviously you never saw Brown Bunny.

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actually in certain films people do have actual sex. they talk about it all the time on ifc documentaries. this was one where they talked about that happening.
and anyway i dont think she would be so obviously upset if it were simulated.

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I really don't think intercourse actually happened in that scene, I mean although as some have pointed out here real intercourse does happen on some movie sets, it doesn't happen on most. They always pretend like the male's penis does enter the lady's vagina, but that's just to make it believable.

I doubt that it happened on this set, because she says in her interview 'I felt like being raped'. I mean if intercourse did happen and it wasn't the way she intended it to be, that could actually constitute rape somehow (I mean since the sex wasn't as she expected or sth) and I think her words would've been different. Although I can't be for sure on this, I'm just giving you my take on it! And again, it was anal intercourse that happened on screen right? Do you mean to say he applied butter to her organ, just before actually penetrating her anus, which she had given consent to upon reading the script? That seems VERY far-fetched to me!!!

Although on the whole I feel sad that Maria thinks of the scene this way and I would be curious to know if Marlon talked about that scene to her personally beforehand. She claims that the director only told her about Marlon's improvisation right before the show, I think they should have given her more time to make a decision. Although, I know that might have not been possible, since Marlon's improvisation might have come right before shooting or something.

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actually in certain films people do have actual sex. they talk about it all the time on ifc documentaries. this was one where they talked about that happening.
and anyway i dont think she would be so obviously upset if it were simulated


yeh, maybe porn, but never mainstream. Legal matters. Contracts.

Another idiot spewing off about what they know nothing of.

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it obviously wasnt real. ive not seen this film but actors n actresses dont *beep* on camara


You've obviously never seen "Anatomie de l'Enfer," "Ken Park" or "The Brown Bunny."

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what you do not seem to understand is that this was "simulated". That means that no actual sodomy took place, and having watched the film its obvious that the way this supposed sodomy scene is carried out is incredibly intelligent. It gives the impression of the action taking place without any suggestiveness. Do you honestly think that Ms. Schneider would have sat there and let herself get blasted in the ass for real, whilst surrounded by grips, gaffers, makeup people, special effects people, prodducers and various extras? Do you honesty think that if there was even the slightest hint of actual unauthorised anal penetration that the shot would have been allowed to continue? Ms schneider needs to realise that the worst thing that happened in this film is that she got a slippery ass crack. End Of. She has no reason to feel violated or used, as there was never any violation or mis-use of her evident.

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What do you people think women are?


It isn't hard to figure out what women are. That nothing to do with anything you Goddamned imbecile. We're talking about a simulated sex scene that a legally adult (albeit young, though that never alters anything) woman consented to participating in. She had the power to say no at any point and from what it looks like, she didn't exercise that option. The definition of rape is NOT consenting to sex and then regretting it afterward. That may be what feminists have been trying for the last 10-15 years to add as a rape definition, but in logical reality it simply doesn't fly. Either way, it happened 35+ years ago (funny how it takes her that long to come out about it)and presented her with a level of fame that I doubt she would trade her past for.

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I completely agree with you, chizzie_shark. This post is absolutely disgusting.

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I've never actually seen this movie, but I think it's disgusting how you people can just nonchalantly tell Ms Schneider to "get over it". Any form of forced penetration of another human being, constitutes rape. It's immoral, inhumane and despicable. Why should basic human rights not apply to her just because she's an actress? She was told to do something she wasn't comfortable with, she was taken advantage of, and that's how she feels. You can't just "get over it".

What do you people think women are?


Either you are quite naive, or a complete idiot. And I do certainly apply the latter.

1) They did not have real sex. You know that, don't you?
2) All she had to do was say, "No." She didn't. I think she's over reacting.
4) She's an actress. She should have known to say no.


Swing away, Merrill....Merrill, swing away...

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She probably regrets the "butter in the bum scene" because it threw her off of her diet.

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I'm pretty sure that rape is neither beautiful or erotic.

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yeah great movie, understandable scene, even a good scene. but it was not beautiful or erotic at all for me because i, you know, find rape disgusting. i mean, i have trouble watching when a young female screams "no" very loudly and then gets held down like a high school wrestler. still, a good scene, makes sense with the story.

it makes it even worse when you find that she didnt really know about it until it was too late. i mean women have choice and all, but imagine your 19, and a bigtime director and hollywood legend are pressuring you. you want to make it, you want to show that you are talented, but you still dont feel comfortable, i can see how she was convinced. and it sucks.

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Well, here's a great link that someone else posted:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=469646&in_page_id=1773

And I was wondering if he really did sodomize her, because Brando was a Method Actor and everything he did was extremely real.

But apparently, it was faked, acc to Maria. So one has to be careful when she cries rape.

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I really doubt he actually did push her stool in... and please do not take the Daily Mail seriously, it's a terrible paper. Very far from a 'great' link.

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And I was wondering if he really did sodomize her, because Brando was a Method Actor and everything he did was extremely real.

Method actor, some method indeed!

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She should have refused to do it, I know I would if I was aked to do something that made me feel violated.

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Unprepared for the worldwide attention the film brought, she soon embarked on a path of self-destruction with fraught romantic entanglements, suicide attempts and a lapse into drug addiction.

seems like this is a girl that has a problem with saying NO anyway

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I totally agree, she could have said no. Instead she says that she should've had her agent or her lawyer look it over. So what then, if they said, yeh, you can change the script, would she have been ok with it?!
Anyways, a lot of actresses admit that before a sex scene, they have a drink, because they feel embarassed and exposed. I suspect Maria Schneider read into those feelings in a way that a professional and mature actress would not.
It is possible that they unintentionally took advantage of her naivety, but they probably assumed her hesitant approach to the scene was for the common reasons - what would people think? this is going to be so embarassing. and so on.
Anyways, Bertolucci and Brando are artists, not psychologists, they were trying to make a masterpiece, not help a young girl with her issues (I'm not making assumptions based on her age and sex, I am a girl the same age as she was when she filmed this scene, I know I would be uncomfortable with it, but I also know my body is my own, I control it and I can say no).

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the points you stated certainly do not defend Brando and Bertolucci.

She can say no and control her body too- but Art wanted to use her and spit her out. Art outsized her in power. Art seems to be male, as you described.

To whoever said it was sexy, well, it'll be really sexy when you get sodomized.

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She was 19 and probably grateful and overwhelmed to be in a big movie with Brando and Bertolucci. You don't think it would be hard to say no with a huge movie star and director in your face telling you how great it would be and chastising you for being unprofessional (probably) because you don't want fat brando grinding on you for a scene no one told you about and he just (suspiciously) invented? Puh-leeze.

Consent and personal boundaries are much more complicated than simple yes/no or having to take responsibility for every coerced decision made in youthful naiveity simply because no one held a gun to your head and FORCED you to do it. Nor does that fact that the scene was artistically successful make it OK, douchebags!

I really hope some of the above commenters have daughters one day, they will certainly find themselves in sexually coercive situations (most women have) then you can reiterate some of these sensitive comments.


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Consent and personal boundaries are much more complicated than simple yes/no


In the case of sound minded adults, no, it isn't more complicated by that much. Yes she was very young, perhaps even too unwisely young to have been cast in the role. Nevertheless, she accepted it and she knew what she was getting into for the most part...something that wasn't exactly Mary Poppins. Even before the butter was introduced this already was a role that wasn't calling for very innocent demands and the actress had to have known that.

a huge movie star and director in your face telling you how great it would be and chastising you for being unprofessional


You have no proof that such a thing had actually gone down. She gave NO indication that this was how it was.

It's quite simple. She had the option of saying no to a simulated sex scene and she didn't, she did not exercise REFUSAL throughout the course of the entire incident. That, by definition is simply NOT RAPE. Uncomfortable? I don't think anyone's doubting that. But comparable to sexual assault? Sorry, but not everyone takes the "guilty until proven innocent" approach that feminuts like yourself do, dear. You're doing nowhere near the favors for women that you think you are. And again, why did she wait 35 years, and 4 years after her accused co-worker had passed on (meaning he can't defend himself), to come out with this information?

they will certainly find themselves in sexually coercive situations (most women have) then you can reiterate some of these sensitive comments.


How do you know how many of them may or may not have daughters? You probably also believe that all the commentators were men. I'm a woman and I hope my comments have come across as insensitive and hurtful enough to you. You obviously have no concept of personal responsibility for women, you gigantic jackoff.

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She wasn't even forewarned. The director and Marlon planned it without her knowledge.

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It is too bad that she felt abused and of course that she want properly informed about it, but I think that scene is very good, I like what Paul says in it and the intense music

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This scene was staged, not actual sex. Just like the "Brown Bunny" one cited by an earlier poster. (If you think that big rubbery thing is Vincent Gallo's actual d**k, then you truly believe in the magic of cinema.) That doesn't mean the inexperienced M. Schneider mightn't have nonetheless felt degraded and used (particularly in retrospect, as the movie gained legendary status) by it. Especially given Brando's alleged reputation for psycho-sexually messing with co-stars. (Supposedly he also really screwed up Ewa Aulin of "Candy," and who knows who else.) But you gotta wonder how seriously to take anything Schneider says, as (like Linda Lovelace of the same era) her fame rested entirely on a somewhat personally embarrassing, graphically exposing debut she was never able to top career-wise. Let alone prove herself as more of an actress than a found, primarily sexualized "talent." Professionally, it was all downhill from there.

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uuummmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....Butter...........

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It's unfortunate that Schneider has some regrets doing the scene, and I can see how that would be a difficult choice for a young actress to make. However, there is a BIG difference between feeling pressured to doing a controversial(and obviously, simulated) sex scene in a movie and actual rape.

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THANK YOU, Catscanfly. I agree with everything you said. People on imdb are really dense, apparently.

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That scene was nothing compared to some of the sex scenes today. Anybody see Angel Heart???

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