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The Scene With Chill Wills, Dylan and the Beans


Sam Peckinpah made one exquisite all-time-masterpiece ("The Wild Bunch," yep)and some other great ones, and stayed visionary and artful all the way to the alcohol-fueled, drug-stoked broken-down end. Many of his later movies looked like they were made by a drunk with a meat cleaver for film editing (they were), but they ALL had the blood of their maker flowing through them.

"Pat Garrett" has its own mythology in the destroyed-making of (Peckinpah had substance abuse problems and a Satanic adversary in M-G-M scumbag President James "the Smiling Cobra" Aubrey, who had ruined many movies already and was out to break Peckinpah's will and wreck this movie in a variety of ways -- Robert Redford swore he would not do "The Sting" if it were made at Aubrey's M-G-M, btw)

But I digress.

"Pat Garrett" in whatever form it is now is like a linear rag-tag collection of weird, deadpan scenes, some brilliant, some not-so, some well-written, some not so.

But I LOVE this scene where Coburn's ultra-cool Pat Garrett just happens to come in when "bad guys" Bob Dylan, two more...plus Grand Old Character Guy Chill Wills...are all in a bar/general store together and Coburn determines that he must neutralize them all.

Coburn takes a seat at a card table...cool hat, cool moustache (he doesn't always have one in this movie), cool small cigar, and...generally cool James Coburn coolness (around this time, Coburn looked and sounded his best.)

Coburn directs Bob Dylan to do various things: (1) knock out one of his villainous comrades with a well-placed shotgun stock blow to the back of the head and (2) stand in a corner reading all the labels on a general store shelf of cans ("Beans. Pork and BEANS. " You ain't heard the words til you heard Dylan say 'em.)(3) Pull Chill Wills' hat down over his eyes so low that the guy looks like some kind of major league doofus.

Ah, Chill Wills. In the 50's and 60's, Chill had a kind of waaay laid back, good ol' boy coolness. He was a big fellah, but a well-put-together one. He had a voice like molasses flowing out of a bassoon.

And in "Pat Garrett"...he's a mess. Wearing a dirty shirt with no buttons at the BOTTOM, so his now-ample gut hangs out of his clothes buddha-like, Chill Wills in "Pat Garrett" lets out a continual stream of language in Coburn's direction fouler than anything he EVER got to say in, say, "Giant" or "The Alamo" (for which he was Oscar-nominated.)

So at a certain point, you've got this medium long shot of Cool Coburn stage left, Chill Wills with a hat over his eyes and his exposed gut-flesh hanging out talking a continuous stream of gutter-mouth, with Bob Dylan in the background reading can labels (with bookish eyeglasses)in the corner ("PEAS. Fruit and beans.") Plus some intense-looking hombre sitting across the card table who just may have to have a showdown with ol' Coburn.

And you're looking at this magnificently weird and off-kilter scene, and you're thinking:

"Whoa. Peckinpah was gonzo on this picture...but he still sure had SOMETHING going on."

P.S. After the big shootout finale to this scene, Wills gets a last line to Coburn. Wills, stunned by the gun noise and still blindfolded by his own dumb-looking hat over his eyes: "Yuh made me have a bowel movement. I'll get yuh if its thuh last thing I do."





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Does he really say "bowel movement?" I don't remember that. I've seen both cuts of this movie (any thoughts on the 2005 edit?), and while I like certain scenes, the movie just doesn't seem to hold together. I know this movie isn't about the plot as much as it's about...well, I'm not sure what it's about. Anyway, interesting movie.

What's the Spanish for drunken bum?

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I am pretty sure that I heard that phrase on watching this film a few nights ago on TV. I don't have it to "double check."

I also don't know from the "2005 edit," I'm afraid.

A wonderfully comprehensive piece was written on "Pat Garrett" by one Paul Seydor, who not only knew how to write about film, but who was a working film editor in his own right.

According to Seydor, rumors of a "perfect director's cut" of "Pat Garrett" are false, because no matter what version we're talking about, at BEST, the team of editors had about a month to create a final cut for 1973 release, and "you can't do a fine cut in a month."

Consequently, says Seydor, "Pat Garrett" even at its best wasn't ever completed as, say, "The Wild Bunch" was, which almost had a full YEAR for a fine cut to be produced.

Sometimes, great movies are a matter of time and money, no matter how great the director. Peckinpah got neither on "Pat Garrett".

Still, I do love the choppy, episodic "Pat Garrett." Mainly for the parade of great old (and young) character actors along the way, totally different than usual: Slim Pickens and Katy Jurado (so sad), Chill Wills (so profane), Jack Elam(so tragic), Richard Jaeckel (so bewigged), and so on.

Plus Peckinpah stalwarts L.Q. Jones and R.G. Armstrong ("Keep the change")

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The Two-Disc Set has a 2005 cut, which is supposedly patterned after Peckinpah's notes, although his trademark title sequence is removed, but since I've only seen each once, I don't remember much of the differences. I think Slim Pickens' death is different.

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Slim dies the same way in both films; the difference is when "Knockin' On Heaven's Door" plays in the background, the new edit includes Dylan singing the lyrics. Originally, apparently, it was just an instrumental version.

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Yeah, I knew that, but I thought one of them was longer or something. I guess it was my memory playing tricks on me.

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The exact line was "You made me have a bowel movement in my britches."

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Regarding this scene: a couple years ago a Peckinpah revival was held at the George Eastman House here in Rochester, NY. Kristofferson addressed an audience of this movie and answered audience questions. One of the musicians in Kris' band is Donnie Fritts who played Beaver in this movie and he was also present.

Kristofferson had taken Fritts to meet Peckinpah who decided to put Fritts in the picture. Fritts also fielded audience questions recalling how he arrived on the set, just a hick from Alabama, and saw the likes of Jack Elam strolling around. He couldn't believe his good luck but when it came time for him to get in costume, Fritts had nothing to say. Sam and he talked it over and Sam's idea was to have Fritts just repeat the words of any other actor whenever it seemed appropriate.

I talked with Fritts afterwords and he said that he still meets people who come up to him and say "Private parts?" from this scene.


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That's my favorite line in the picture. I think he says "I ain't NEVER gonna forgive you for this," but that's just nit picking.

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Lemule?!?! you drag your fat ass over here so we can all see you.

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Best scene ever. Pure cult.

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"Pat Garrett" in whatever form it is now is like a linear rag-tag collection of weird, deadpan scenes, some brilliant, some not-so, some well-written, some not so.


Probably the best description of the film I've ever read.

"If you can’t say something good about someone, sit right here by me."

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Your sequence is incorrect in this scene. Garrett, along with Poe, arrive before Holly, Beaver and Alias. Garrett sends Poe off to look for the Kid somewhere. After Poe has departed, for a short while Pat and Lemuel are alone at that point. Then, Holly,(Richard Bright), Beaver,(Donnie Fritts), and Alias,(Bob Dylan) come walking in. When they see Pat, they try to leave, but Pat won't let them, drawing his gun and suggesting they play a few hands of cards...

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After Poe has departed, for a short while Pat and Lemuel are alone at that point.
That's probably my favorite scene in it, but I remember having a bunch. Chill Wills' obnoxious sales pitch for Bertha the whore... "You want yourself a wo'man?".

The whole thing with those narrow eyes and the gut sticking out. Really turned me on to some Chill Wills. Been meaning to find some more stuff of his. There's a really good Gunsmoke where Matt Dillon gets stuck traveling with him. It's called "A Noose for Dobie Price". Lemuel fans would probably like it. :)

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that is a great scene, really one of the best in the film. "LIMA beans. Spinach. To-may-toz."

Really only Dylan could make the word "tomatoes" a full joke - setup, question, AND punchline. As if, "yeah, food names are ridiculous, but we have to call it something, don't we?"

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