1973 vs. 1962


I know I'm probably going to be ripped to shreds for this post, but please read it with an open mind, thank you. I actually disagree that the early-'70's were 100% different from the early-'60's. However, I'd say the early-'70's were VERY eclectic and diverse, and about 50%-70% of things WERE 100% different from 10 years prior. What I mean is that I agree completely about the drastic differences, but what I don't agree with is that the similarities are completely ignored by people on this board. The hippie counterculture that grew significantly in the late-'60's was just that -- a counterculture; of course they strongly influenced mainstream society, but some of the American population was much more influenced than others. Think of it this way -- 1965 still had a lot in common with 1963, and by 1969 there were drastically different cultural aspects in play, BUT that's still only 4 years later -- it's impossible for every single thing about a whole society with a deeply ingrained culture to just vanish in 4 years. 1969 was more like a diverse mishmash of a time, mirrored by popular music; for instance, Three Dog Night's hard-rocking single "One" went gold, but so did Jay & the American's very doo-wop-y love song "This Magic Moment," which wouldn't have been out of place 4 years earlier, either (amid all the emerged genres in the late-'60's including funk). Likewise, in 1973, Deep Purple had a huge hit with the psychedelic rock song "Smoke on the Water," but so did Bloodstone with the doo-wop-influenced soul ballad "Natural High." The '70's were a relatively slow period in terms of change, being in many ways culturally a continuation of the late-'60's. I think of AMERICAN GRAFFITI more as a tribute/celebration/glorification of a side of American society at the time that felt pretty threatened (or endangered), in a certain sense (much like the Broadway musical GREASE that premiered a year earlier), when a nation felt pretty divided. Let's not forget that there were still many hippies (who took drugs) in 1973, and the Vietnam War wouldn't end until 1975.
I was looking at a high school yearbook from Los Angeles County in California from 1969, and there were many features that one could describe as reminiscent of AMERICAN GRAFFITI, even advertisements for malt shops, and people with checkered skirts and shirts, in addition to other things that would have been absolutely foreign in 1962, like long, straight hair (on girls) and hippie-inflected fashions alongside the other ones.
To anyone who thinks the '50's culture didn't carry into the '60's, I'm sorry, but they are just flat-out wrong.
Of course this movie struck a chord in 1973, but all of what I just said helps explain why this movie only gets better with time, and 1962 is now literally a VERY, very long time ago.







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and 1962 is now literally a VERY, very long time ago


Ouch. That was the year in which I was born.

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I found it strange because the movie clearly relies heavily on nostlagia, the extensive use of music from the period, cars, restaurants, etc, so it's a bit odd that this "nostalgia" referred to just 11 years before. I'd really find it weird if someone did a nostalgic movie about 2003, with the music, looks and everything, since that was pretty much yesterday and everyone still remembers it.

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I saw the movie in 1973, and 1962 was like thousands of light years away from '73. Things and styles changed rapidly in 10 years back then; today, there is not much difference at all. You could make a "nostalgia" movie in 2014 about 2003, and nothing would be changed, except that more people are holding cell phones everywhere they are.

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Quite right! The difference between 1973 and 1962 is like night and day.

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I'll agree with the person and people that lived it...and from what I know 1973 was WAY different than 1962...as stated, 2004 vs 2015 not so much. It's a very subjective thing however. I HATE to say it but I've been watching movies from 1995, and they look dated...and I get depressed as that was my HS Grad. Year. The clothes, the cars in the scenery...but that's how it was. Anyways , getting sidetracked. Think about this : Back to the Future. 1955 was eons compared to 1985 in many ways. 2005 to 1985...well, yes quite different but not as much as 55 to 85. I agree with above poster and the OP. Both make points that I understand completely.

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The social differences in those 10 years were astounding. Even less than 10 years: the late 60s were NOTHING like the early 60s. And by 1973 there was nostalgia for just a few years ago. The rock group Sha Na Na cashed in on it too.

Get the facts first - you can distort them later!

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Both were great.

RIP
Jeff Hanneman
1964-2013

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I can imagine in '73, 1962 was seen as a different era. But looking at 62 and 73 from 2015, they're about the same thing. Sure, pop culture had evolved (or devolved) quite a bit, but people's daily lifestyles, appliances, toys, cars hadn't changed much.

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Well ... the movie is about teenagers.

The worlds of teenagers in 1962 and 1973 were radically different. Probably more different than between 1973 and now. A character from this movie who time traveled and walked into high school in 1973 would've wondered if he'd traveled to a foreign country or another century.

It's obviously true that some things didn't change that much. Someone who was 45 in 1962, and 56 in 1973, would be a bit older, but might (or, in some cases, might not) like the same music, type of TV show, etc.

The OP's "divide it up into increments" trick is kind of a weird reverse variant of Xeno's paradox. By the same token, I could say:
- October 1962 was about the same as September 1962
- November 1962 was about the same as October 1962
...
- July 1973 was about the same as May 1973
- August 1973 was about the same as July 1973

therefore: when the movie was released everything was about the same as when it was set.

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I just honestly feel that if one compares even youth culture between 1962 and 1973 there were things 100% different alongside things 100% similar. Some teens in 1973 looked like hippies, others still had the clean cut look with checkered shirts on guys and on girls skirts even though often they were miniskirts (though there were the longer ones, too). There was hard or psychedelic rock in 1973 but there were still artists like Bloodstone and Johnny Rivers for instance (I'm a hit vinyl record collector). My point is that the late 1960s to early 1980s was as mixed bag a time as a cultural period can get. My brother in law grew up in Los Angeles County near Pasadena in the 70s and early 80s and he said to me the 50s culture was absolutely still a part of things. At 6 years old in 1973 and 1974 if he walked 3 miles away from home by himself and made new friends along the way it was no deal at all, that's how much safer the world was then. At 16 in 1983 he had to work very hard to earn his first car, every young guy did so when they got it they were so proud of it and fixed it up really nicely and cruised the streets listening to music, meeting up with friends, and looking for and meeting girls. Sorry to burst your bubble but even then the American Graffitti culture was by no means dead. My uncle reminisced to me recently about 1967 just 6 years before this movie came out telling me what a fantastic time to be alive it was, when every restaurant had jukeboxes some tabletop, some large, and he would hear the current hit Tell It Like It Is by Aaron Neville playing constantly, and how he and his friends and classmates would have dance parties including dance contests in home basements. So this movie did come about surprisingly very early. That said, what separated the late 60s and 70s from just before that included the escalation and seeming endlessness of the Vietnam War, the presence of hippies and drugs, hippie influence on varying degrees of culture and people, some far more than others who were untouched by it. Perhaps this movie was meant to capture that aspect of culture and glorify it in the face of daily turbulent news issues, psychedelia, women's lib, the first albeit relatively small gasps of gay rights riots and protests, hippies in communes, anarchistic yippies, Harry Krishna followers, funk, Afro hair, bell bottoms, lava lamps, and the draft with news of soldiers dying. It was a mix of the old and drastically different new. But 1965 was to put it bluntly culturally still the '50s, so a bit later, something had to stay, you know?

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Sorry to burst your bubble, but I actually was a teenager in 1973. You're getting tied up with irrelevant and misleading details. It was drastically different from the world of American Graffiti. If you want a reasonably accurate picture of what the teenage world of 1973-74 or so was like, watch "Dazed and Confused" (set in 1976, which was not wildly different from 1973).

To be honest, if I ever heard of Bloodstone, I've long forgotten them. Thanks to Wikipedia, I now know that they had a single top-40 song, which reached number 10 in 1973. Hardly a cultural bellwether.

Fifties culture was not really still alive in 1973. Happy Days started its run in January 1974: it was very explicitly and clearly a nostalgia piece about a world that no longer existed. Of course, American Graffiti was exactly the same thing (indeed, its success made Happy Days possible). When this movie was released, it was marketed and understood as a portrait of another, vanished time.

The prevailing musical sound you'd hear coming out of teenagers' rooms in 1973 wasn't doo-wop or R&B: it was more like Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and (on the softer and more mainstream side of things) Elton John. Of course, Elton John did have a hit with a '50s-esque song in the form of Crocodile Rock, but - like Happy Days - it was explicitly a nostalgic throwback to a different time. Same with American Pie, which actually came out a few years earlier. To the extent the culture was invoking the '50s or early '60s, it was to note how foreign and long-gone that era was.

Just to provide a bit of darker cultural context (though there were lighter things going on too), the early- to mid-seventies was the era of:
- the Zodiac Killer (mostly a little earlier, actually),
- Son of Sam (1976),
- Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Dean Corll, Edmund Kemper, Elmer Wayne Henley (it was a kind of the heyday of serial killers),
- the SLA,
- the Watergate hearings,
- Deep Throat (both referents),
- "Ford to City: Drop Dead,"
- All in the Family,
- Taxi Driver.

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I stand by my initial stance. This was the period of The Brady Bunch. It was also after Easy Rider and Midnight Cowboy. Archie Bunker said things never before heard on TV but that doesn't mean everyone was always 100% politically correct in their statements in 1959. My point? I don't see time periods as neat little boxes completely separated from each other 100% with neat labels between each other. Time is a flowing stream, not neatly categorized boxes. I remember 1993 having things exactly like now and things nothing like now. Just because it was such a long time ago doesn't mean I should see it in such a black and white way. If someone watched Saved by the Bell from 1993 today they're going to see a different era. If they see Friends from 1994 or Clueless the movie from 1995 that is not necessarily so. The differences between 1960 and 1970 are never exaggerated but the problem I see is the similarities tend to be completely ignored except for by some people like those I mentioned above whose stories I was told. You will probably go on seeing it as you see it. But I won't agree with you.

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Jesus, did anyone ever teach you to use paragraphs?

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You assumed wrong. I'm issuing you a citation for creating unreadable blocks of text on the message boards.

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Ok, I guess I overreacted, I'm sorry. Honestly, yeah, I should watch that next time on here. It's constructive criticism you gave me. :)

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S'all good.

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I was also a teen-ager in 1973 and saw this movie when it was released. Although only 11 years had passed between the setting of the film, it felt like it was at least 20 years. The audience absolutely howled at the early 60's clothing and other conventions of the era. I can't imagine another 11 year-period in our history where so much changed so quickly.

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You make a lot of valid points IMHO. See my post below. Compare 1955 to 1985 in BTTF. 2015 compared to 2004. Not so much. Also, IMHO most decades start looking a lot like the last. 1990 to 1987. 1981 to say, 1977. We could discuss it a lot more, as it seems that there are so many factors in this subject. Just think about technology...cell phones...computers... They make any film look a tad dated easily. To me anyways.."I had that cell phone in '07!" Anyone said that? Or maybe it's still in the kitchen drawer....cheers

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I see you were born in 1977 as I just read your other post, and in many ways you could relate to this movie still at age 13. As a poster on a different thread pointed out, part of this movie's commercial success lie in the fact that it appealed both to kids and their parents in 1973. It showed a side of culture still absolutely relevant and relateable to youth even though it had been there since the '50s when their parents had been that same age. At the same time, the heavy presence of the very liberated, hippie-influenced side of the 1973 spectrum allowed people to view those things with a certain lens of appreciation or affection. In addition, the chosen year of 1962 probably had a lot to do with It being George Lucas' graduation year, as it was kind of a self-documentary of himself and his friends and their being tossed into an uncertain future, kind of an allegory. Still this movie gets better with time. And from a technical standpoint it was so ahead of its time.

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I think Lucas said the movie was sorta a homage to his HS days, or era. He lived those times. Agreed, it appeals to the people that lived that generation's lifestyle and those who are sort of seeing it for the first time. I'd just like to add that I think it still appeals to any generation, as it's like a time capsule you watch, instead of open.

P.S. I can't say for sure but I'm sure a lot of places the counter-culture really didn't influence some communities in smaller places as much. Say, the Bible Belt small towns. I'm sure in 1973 high and tight hairstyles were still common..



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