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Great film but... of it's time?


Reviewing a film 36 years after its release cries out for caution. I watched this film yesterday afternoon and although enjoyed the performances and of course, subject matter, felt quite a few nags - mostly based on this person's 2008 perspective on movie viewing.

Firstly the film is quite 'stagey'. Characters will stand, mostly two at a time, in drawing rooms and have long conversations with each other. The origin of their being there is soon second to the conversations - which are of course devices to extend character and motive. Thus we are in effect watching the film making itself - the wheels are grinding in front of us. One can often get lost in some of the great acting, costumes and sets, and so not notice this so much. But often the dialogue is far too obviously written to set scenes, so one begins to watch the film rather than the story.

The music. Visconti has rather a curious reputation as a director who has used music as a main part of his films, but seems unsympathetic to it's touches. 'Death in Venice' is a good example, Mahler's wonderfully emotive music is cut and pasted into scenes. Here in Ludwig the sweeps of Wagner will pipe into parts of the film like someone pressing play on a cd player. Then suddenly pressing stop. Wonderfully chosen music appears from nowhere, swamps whatever it is being played over, then abruptly stops. In a few cases it terminates abruptly and is replaced by another piece - so hideously jarring any mood that has been achieved.

The sets. The sets are wonderful - inside the castles and rooms. But outside the atmosphere is of parkland that could be anywhere. Ludwig II built castles on mountain tops in loveliest Bavaria! But the sweeps of the camera let it be felt that the locations could be in Pinewood! It takes some gross mis-use of ones own skill to allow the filming of actual scenes to feel as if it WASN'T being filmed on location!

And so... after reading my carping above, most would believe I didn't enjoy the film. I did! It felt long, but not over-long. And the complexities of the time, the protocols and politics were dealt with very well. And the acting was first class. I simply add and point out what I acknowledge at the beginning of my review - a 'fair' review of a film from a different era is difficult. So I seek not to be patronising in not highlighting these differences, or sweeping thenm under some carpet in pretending that in the early 1970s Visconti could not have achieved more. He could, but in the event - and certainly in this case, the film is still highly recommended and a valued historical aid to understanding, if anyone can, the minds and troubles of Ludwig II. And a great addition - as it is to mine, of one's film library.

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Thanks for the wonderful review of, apparently a younger viewer. I have been apreciating Visconti films for thirty years, although of course not really wartching them often....But they stick to your mind, as ..."quality". May I recommend to you another V. epic, "Il Gattopardo". If you loved Ludwig, you' love the Tigercat too!! But, be aware of ultra long theatrical scenes, like the " fampous" ballroom dance scene....That's mr. V.!! (greetings from Holland).

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I waited many years to see this movie and did enjoy it for the most part; but I suppose what I found most tedious were the numerous insignificant scenes filmed in real time.

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You've got to unravel the bad, dictatorial habits of Hollywood filmmaking (they may not have been bad in the beginning, but now it's just overdone and formulaic), that, sorry to assume, you grew up with.

Hollywood filmmaking has created expectations and prejudices about how films should be made. Anything done outside that box is going to get a tough time.

Everything Visconti does is probably the opposite of what has become standard in films. I believe certain filters were used to film the actual castles which gave a dream-like, ethereal quality - that's actually consistent with the film's premise which is to say Ludwig is unable to deal with reality. That's just one convention that Visconti uses, and there many more technicalities that distinguishes Visconti and conventional filmmaking.



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I have never seen this film but I have seen clips on YouTube. (I did see Visconti's last film in the theater.) I get the impression that Visconti LOVED this era as I feel literally STEEPED in its atmosphere. That's the only way to view it. I agree that the music's role in the experience may be awkward. I think the castles, their interiors and the meticulous styling of the hair and clothes were what was important to Visconti and, perhaps, to Ludwig.

As a woman with short hair who wears only pullovers, dress slacks and slip on shoes, I can appreciate how tedious it must have been to "appear" as pulled together as Romy Schneider was in this film.

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I wouldn't call Ludwig a great flm by any means. If anything, it is an interesting idea for a film that, once executed, seems like a terrible waste. I can understand a film centered on its protagonist's struggle with his sexuality, but to a.) pursue this subject for well over three hours, and b.) have it take place with so many more interesting subjects (Bayreuth, anyone?) taking place practically in the next room, is a torrid indulgence. Helmut Berger is a good actor -- especially when playing eccentric characters -- but it's as if Visconti had asked him to become a great symbol of closeted homosexuals throughout history, and that is a tall order.

I hate to sound like the guy in the movie line, but that's my take.



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That's OK!

Didn't know it was 3 hours long.

"Two more swords and I'll be Queen of the Monkey People." Roseanne

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And just to make myself clear, I don't have a problem with 3 hour films, even boring ones. I am a huge Tarkovsky fan, and I was enormously impressed by Jeanne Dielman, 23 Quai de Commerce, Bruxelles (a landmark 1975 film), even though it was a terribly challenging movie to watch. Ludwig was more a triumph of production design than anything else.




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I must actually watch the film. I do see that production value in the clips I have seen. There seems to be many conversations between Ludwig and Sisi extending from fabulous setting to fabulous setting. I think the actors managed to convey how people of their station interact with the many maids, coachmen and footmen enabling them to glide like swans across these settings.

"Two more swords and I'll be Queen of the Monkey People." Roseanne

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Well, it's certainly worth watching, if only for the evocation of the period. But Visconti managed to do that just as effectively in Il Gattopardo and The Onnocents.



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Actually, it's closer to four hours. My DVD times in at 237 minutes.



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