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Cool Considerate Men


I love 1776 and have watched is a million times. But the "Cool Considerate Men" number always leaves me scratching my head.

The director was apparently trying to say that the Tories were proto-Fascists of some sort. Yet that really makes no sense. Both the Whig and Tory leaders believed in the superiority of the English constitution to other forms of government. The main differences between them were whether they thought the colonists could win, and whether they thought the long-term good of the colonies would be best served by leaving the empire. The Tories didn't believe that individual rights should be subservient to the state, that the state should engage in corporatism, or other fascist principles.



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The song is probably the most politically charged of them all, paying reference less to the time in which the film was set and more to the politics of the US in 1972. It's said that Nixon objected to the song and asked that it be removed (an anecdote repeated by host Robert Osborne on TCM); listening to it, I can understand why: it's actually an anti-Republican screed.

I thoroughly enjoyed it.

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The director? You forget the number WAS in the play as well.

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I'm referring to the goose-stepping on the Independence Hall steps. That was presumably a directorial choice.



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Maybe so. In any case Nixon had no right to tell Warner to cut the number

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That particular story has been debunked. While the Nixons did see the movie it wasn't screened at the White House and Nixon didn't ask to have that scene removed.

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Oh gee that's news to me. er would you mind telling me your source? As I can't find anything!

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it's actually an anti-Republican screed.

I thoroughly enjoyed it.


Yep, and so did I. It's been my favorite number in the play ever since I saw the original Broadway production, and bought the original cast recording, around 1970, when I was in high school.

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Lest the Left get carried away too much, it helps to remember what the American Revolution was all about: Protesting the unlawful intrusion of a distant central authority usurping the power of local government and citizenry in the name of the alleged "common good". In short, the Revolution was all about everything that represents today's conservative philosophy (the true descendant of classical liberalism).

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The moment I find most telling is when they dance through the reading of the letter from Washington, essentially oblivious to the needs of those they have sent to war.


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This is actually a moment where the movie falters a little.

-at a lot of other times it does a reasonable job showing that the anti-independence crowd weren't bad guys or cowards either.

In truth they weren't.

From the standpoint of that summer, American Independence was somewhere between a pipe-dream and a continent wide suicide mission.

You have to wonder if they realized they'd barely dipped their toe in the years of death and misery and destruction that were ahead of them (They had been at war a year, but there would be another seven.) if they would have gotten Independence passed.

You have to admire the guts of the patriots, every last one of them could have stayed home and led comfortable lives, instead of risking a traitor's death.

-but how wrong were the others calling for peace given what they knew about their odds of success?

"Support our troops: Bring them home!"

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The number and by extension the portrayal of John Dickinson is misleading and not true to the historical record. From a dramatic standpoint I understand this need to give Adams a clear antagonist who could be understood from a modern lens, which would mean making Dickinson and Independence opponents more like Tory defenders of British policy so I'm not too critical of it (I'd probably be more critical if this were not a musical where suspension of disbelief is always necessary to a degree).

But for the record, it needs to be understood that John Dickinson and Independence opponents were not defenders of British policy. Their concern was that Independence would mean the creation of not a unified nation but 13 separate republics eventually warring with each other over boundary disputes and control of land to the west. The one thing that had held all 13 colonies together for 150 years was their British identity and the sense that they were Englishmen living in America. Before the 1770s, the 13 Colonies always went their own separate ways with almost NO coordination among themselves.

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The political intent of the song is made clear by the way the beginning and the ending were made to sound like "The Star Spangled Banner."

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