It seems that there is a lot of commentary in the review section about the nudity in this film. I thought it would be better to bring that discussion out to the message boards so that an ongoing conversation could actually take place.
The bottom line for me is that Jenny Agutter, on her DVD commentary track, doesn't seem to be bothered by them. She does express that when she saw the final cut she was a little surprised about the length of the scenes, and she warned her parents about it. Overall, though, she seems to be in full agreement that the scenes were necessary and never once suggests that she objects to the scenes.
If she doesn't care, then I'm not sure why I should care or be bothered by them?
Thoughts...opinions?
Beware! Beware of the big green dragon that sits on your doorstep. He eats little boys...
I don't see any problem at all. Some people are so depraved that they can't look at anything with a fresh perspective and an open mind and admit to themselves that what they are looking at is actually beautiful--or for that matter see that the film actually questions, explores and even makes fun of the whole issue of the sexual gaze. The aesthetics alone of the swimming scene justifies it in my view, but the thematic content beyond that takes it way out of the realm of exploitation.
For starters, Aggutter was 17 when the film was released, and almost certainly 16 when it was filmed.
Secondly, look at the context. She's deserted in the wilderness. Oh, and she has a young brother with her. She's hot and thirsty and dry. there's a lake. No, don't swim in it, a lizard might observe(!) Had she planned this disequliibrium more thoroughly she might have packed a cossy (and some water, and a compass...) The camera doesn't focus on a particular part of her body at all. Anyway, by law, by individual maturity and even by her own integrity, so what if it did? What difference would it make if she were 17 or 47? It is not a sexual situation, just one of the most natural things in the world...taking a bath. The scene is justified by the plot.
In terms of a previous poster's comment as to the aesthetic value: there is nothing more beautiful than nature and little more natural than the naked form. If we were meant to be covered up, we would be born in either thick body hair or a romper suit.
Might I advise you: next time you want to contest another poster's view, might you do it in a more civilised manner (ie. without the personal insults or unneccesary use of expletives) as it devalues your own post.
Well, attempting to remain above a level of bickering, with regards to the title of my post, I genuinely thought that you were being sacastic and mocking those with slightly less liberal views. Furthermore, you undermine your criticism by trying to make completely unfounded personal insults. The boards are intended for discussion and debates, and I enjoy reading and participating in them, but comments such as yours really lower the standard, particularly on a board such as this.
If you look up Jenny Aggutter on the imdb, you'll find she was born in 1952, Roeg didn't delay the release for five years, so she was not 14.
I'm not a nudist, but am comfortable enough with my own body and other people's not to be offended when I see one. As my lecturers would hammer into us, context is everything.
Nearly every discussion on the boards consists of opinions. Please remember that the earlier posters' opinions are just as valid as your's or mine and that one is not obliged to contest a previous poster's opinion by default. In my case and many others, I was merely adding my opinion. If it differs to yours, I'm not neccesarily attacking you, so refrain from being so defensive and aggressive as a result. If you aren't as comfortable with nudity as others are, then that doesn't automatically make them perverts.
Who is anyone to say whether nudity is right of wrong? It differs in culture to culture, and, of course, context is everything. What is the difference in showing a naked swimmer of a swimmer in the skimpiest of cossies? One can still see the dimensions and imagination can fill in the rest.
I have no interest in this debate, I only want to remark that art has no business depicting nude human bodies. Never has, never will. Why people seem to think that it does is beyond me. Excuse me now while I go put curtains over the paintings and statues.
Wow I just read MJKI's amaing post and the very next post was neanderthal cussing and personal attacks.
What a contrast! One post: intelligent, thoughtful, educated. The next: pigslop and product of the lowest common denominator.
MJKI -- I love your assessment and it's obvious you've given thought to this. I think you brought up some angles I hadn't thought of, and believe me, I've written a lot on this subject in my blog. Enough to make people tired of reading about Walkabout, lol.
It's strange how the Girl does not ever really try to communicate with him and she continually pushes his culture away as if it is just a necessary inconvenience. She does not learn his language to speak with him other than the word for "water", she does not seem to ever seek him out to learn from him or ask him things. She gets her brother to ask him when she needs to know something. Through the film, she seems scared of him in a way and intimidated, and keeps herself away from him (except for just a smattering of scenes like the gum trees and when he carries her across the river). It's weird to me because at once she seems comfortable, but she never really is. And at the end, she is all wound up and won't let him in at all. They wander through the house and do not communicate, though the Boy watches her and then sits sadly as she walks past, ignoring him. It's kind of heartbreaking, actually. Like she doesn't even SEE him. He can see all of the potential in her and between them, but she is blind.
What a difference in her "memory" -- the children there seem so natural and free and unburdened by all of these other things. As it was meant to be.
Even when he died, she showed no emotion. It was pick up a mango, flick some ants and get to the road. After all of that time he'd helped them, she has nothing to say about his death, no appreciation of him at all. And when she takes the road, it's as if he never existed.
Gee Mr Movie Guy 2004, you sure do know yourself pretty good. I mean that with all sincerity. Your perception of things have shaped your very "no gray area" attitude. There is nothing wrong with that. But is it not still "your" perception ? I sort of like this quip. "Who is anyone to say what was going on in the directors mind while filming or contemplating the scene". What his or her intentions or implications were is anyones guess. So what were left with is our own perception or opinion of what direction of reasoning was being portrayed. If you were the producer or director of the film, would you not have done it differently. Your replies in this forum scream a definate yes. And another person would yet again do the movie in a different way. In closing I will admittedly say that some of my written content here is opinionated. The truth known by all is that there is nothing factual in an opinion. That is the only fact that I can bring to a forum full of opinions.
[ ...and I heard she was fourteen, I don't know where you got seventeen... ]
Well, if you can handle a little math, you'll see that the movie came out in 1971, and according to the IMDB database (you know... this website you're posting on...) Jenny Agutter was born in December of 1952. So, she was at least 18 when this movie came out.
Perhaps you can make a small effort to check your facts next time rather than merely repeating what you "heard".
funny how no one opposing these nude scenes mentions anything about the nudity of the aboriginal people. small children, grown women, grown men all clad in next to nothing expressing curiosity about the charred automobile.
while i'm not making accusations, i can't help but believe it has something to do with the fact that in our culture, and most others, tubby unwashed female aboriginees aren't exactly an object of desire. they don't exactly sell national geographic in porn shops. nobody here seems to have a problem with it.
however, a sixteen year old white girl swims in a lake and you've got a message board debate that's lasted over a year.
obviously, if you are offended by the young girl's nudity, there's something in your mind that fired off warnings that you're watching something that could be potentially sexually arousing, and not so much that you're looking at unclothed bodies. otherwise, i would think the naked natives would cause just as much of a stink.
Have you got an explanation of why the camera needs to hone in on a teenage girl's ass while she's swimming? Because that is the gaze of the young boy watching her, dumbass!
Just because you cant look at a young girl naked without getting a boner and you hate yourself for it, dont go around ruining good films for the rest of us.
Calling yourself Mr_Movie_Guy_2004 then of course you the knowledge to tell us where you found the information to prove that Jenny was 14 in the movie?
But then again would God be happy when he knows you are spewing the words "naive pricks" and I guess you never ever in your life ever seem a nude screen hold on you must have, didn't you watch Walkabout to come up with these comments?
I am gradually learning to recognize and resist the temptation to engage trolls on message boards! The "ignore postings from" link available from any user's profile page has become my favorite feature of these boards, an invaluable time and energy saver.
I love to discuss topics with those who have opposing views, but it saves a lot of hassle to distinguish genuine participants in dialog from simple trolls. Why bother formulating a carefully reasoned argument for someone who isn't going to appreciate it and respond with civility?
Please, keep posting, you are giving my mates and me the best laugh in ages.
By the way, I apparently am misjudging you, yet again and again you make unsubstatiated assertions about others with some ease.
Paedophilia is no joke, so do not throw around a phrase that transparently shows you possess little understanding of if you can use it with such ease.
Again, I can only reiterate I am not attacking you, but defending the opinions of others.
"But anyone with any sense can see that there is NO such scenario where a nude scene is necessary." That does suggest discomfort.
No comment with regards to the subject's age, I note.
I enjoyed your quotation from the art book.
I am retiring from this 'debate' now. This is to little interest of other readers of the Walkabout board. I apologise to future readers for what has deteriorated into mindless drivel.
The main reason I added to this debate, and regrettfully failed to make this explicit to begin with (I hold my hands up) was that I did not find the scene to be sexual in the least.
Poor Mr Movie Guy 2004(great name,real imaginative)can't see naked people without 'the bad thoughts' entering his broken brain space.He sees a red door and he wants to paint it black.
Mr Movie Guy is clearly a race car in the red,a couple more revs and he'll be blowing a gasket.I have a vision of him typing while sitting in his 'woman suit'..."it rubs the lotion on it's skin,or else it gets the hose again"
Just wanted to make two comments, as I've just finished watching this movie for the first time. I am not interested in having a discussion, so this will be my only comment, nor offering any opinions on discussions that preceded mine, so don't read anything into my comments - just use it as fyi and food for thought. First, from checking around a little bit ago, it appears the movie was filmed in 1969 and since Jenny's birth day was December 1952, she was most likely 16 or had just turned 17. Second, with all of Jenny's nudity, I was not sexually aroused at all during the movie. I think it's because I was too involved in the movie and just found her to be a beautiful part of the scenes of nature in the movie. I have always found her very attractive and have been turned on by her in other movies, but here it's different. I'm not sure how to explain it but there are times when I find a nude girl beautiful without being sexually stimulated, as was the case here (I'm not an animal who automatically gets turned on simply because I see a naked or scantilly dressed girl). I know I can watch it again and be sexually aroused if I want to, especially since it's Jenny, but that's another case. I was saddened by the aborigine's death (even though it's just a movie) and had a hard time with the animal killings and cutting up (which was real). Yes, the director didn't have to show the nudity or the actual butcheries but he chose to. With both the nudity and the animal butcherings, I found them to be all right and justified in the way this movie was filmed (yes, including the focus on her butt when she was swimming). I can't tell what was in the director's mind when he filmed her nude scenes - perhaps he was trying to make it sexually stimulating and perhaps he wasn't. I just know it wasn't stimulating for me the way it was filmed but I can easily see how it could be for others (just like paintings or statues of nude women that were created hundreds of years ago or nude women in the National Geographic magazines - I'm not stimulated by them now but was when I was a teenager first learning about the differences between males and females). As for her being 16 or 17, did she look any different than she did at 18? Does she at 16 or 17 look any different than some girls at 18 or 19? If the answer to both is "no", then what's the problem if someone gets aroused by her (yes, there is a problem if a guy takes advantage of an underage girl but that's not what I'm writing about)? The only reason her age makes a difference is because there are rules in the USA about female nudity in movies - you can appear nude when you're at least 18 (not much difference, I assume, from when a girl is 17, particularly when she's almost 18), you can appear nude at any age on television if it's not considered sexually arousing (note the miniseries "Roots", which displayed young girls nude, particularly one who was 15 at the time - just fyi, I wasn't turned on by any of those girls either), you can appear nude from when you're born to around five years old, etc. Again, I'm not looking for an argument with anyone, none of you know me, and there is no way I can explain my rationale within this area, so just take it as an opinion for you to think about, if you wish - you can value however you like, as we are all different and it is very difficult to have an intelligent conversation on this web site.
This sounds about right. Not all nudity is pornographic and not all violence is for pure entertainment.
It's funny that this discussion even exists seeing as to how in the movie, there is a contrast of context between the young people swimming nude and the older geologists trying to take a peek at the woman's breasts...
Well, it is a Jenny Agutter movie: I can't even think of one where she kept all her clothes on for the entire movie... even in 'The Railway Children' I seem to remember her waving her knickers at a train to try to get it to stop.
As for the movie itself, for a story that's trying to contrast modern life with 'natural' living for an aborigine, it's hardly surprising that some nudity is involved. I think the puritanical responses to the nudity fully support the movie in that sense, showing just how far modern society has gone from that natural state.
I thought the film was very well photographed, with good cast-setting and scenes. The use of light was tremendous, and portrayed perfectly the sense of heat and desolation of the outback. The contrast between "civilisations" was well demonstrated, emphasising the inadequacy of today's society in surviving in the harsh realities of the scrub land.
Oh, and it was great to see Jenny with her kit off! What a body. Always fancied her!
Enjoyed the film. Scenes were breathtaking. The native Australian was cast brilliantly. Good story line. Jenny was amazing.
Art? What's that? I'll tell you what that is guys, its a room with a pile of bricks in one corner, that some arty-farty idiot says "I can see how the artist expresses himself, one can see what was in his mind when... blah, blah, blah". Crap! Absolute bollocks. I tell you what art is guys. Its Constable, it's Rembrandt, its Hieronymus Bosch.
The scene where Jenny Agutter goes swimming is an exact re-creation of a scene in the original novel. In the novel, she goes swimming after the boys leave to go hunting. The boy and girl in the novel are age 13 and 8, and they gradually shed their clothes as they become more accepting of living in the wild.
Well almost correct. Swimming unclothed is natural for children, (except in the 'western' world of the past 25 years), but in the novel the girl's state of undress is due to an encounter with a koala. The 8-year-old boy decided early in the story (in the novel), that clothing in the outback was senseless... and perhaps for a small boy it would be.... hence his nudity was more natural, as author James Vance Marshall clearly states in the excellent novel. The same is effective for the aborigine teen.
I don't understand the debate over nudity..... because this is more natural than the ridiculous scene of violence and suicide being added to the beginning of this film, which has nothing at all to do with the great novel from which the story is adapted.
Just found this site. I too am a Jenny Agutter fan. Well more than that I suppose.
Nude scenes in Walkabout, what was so wrong with them?
My father owned a cinema in West Wales (Llandovery) and as a boy of 12 I remember the film when it was first released. I had been a J.A. fan since she appeared in the Railway Children which my father also showed at the cinema. Being impressionable at that age I fell in love with Jenny how could you not do so. That was nothing more than true love, a boyish crush maybe but love none the less. Knowing that i would most likely never meet the girl who i so admired, and still do. At 44 i find the film and the closing scene most beautiful and brings back fond memories when, as a lad in puberty, I fell for what was the most beautiful thing in the world to me. I have just bought on ebay a copy of the film score (Walkabout) and the memories just came flooding back. I try and watch the film every time it is on the small screen.
She will always be in my heart and to those people who criticse the film for the nude scenes they do not understand and never will.
Very well said Kenny! When I was a teenager back in the 70's Walkabout was one of those films that was shown often on Sunday afternoons on TV. Being an American, I was always fascinated by the beauty of Australia and the mystical nature of the film and would watch it everytime it was on to try to get a better understading of what it was about. The final scene in Walkabout with Jenny day dreaming is one of the most beautiful and heartfelt endings of all time. A film about youth that is a memorable part of my own youth, and causes me to reflect back on "the happy highways where I went, and cannot come again."
"Just found this site. I too am a Jenny Agutter fan. Well more than that I suppose.
Nude scenes in Walkabout, what was so wrong with them?
My father owned a cinema in West Wales (Llandovery) and as a boy of 12 I remember the film when it was first released. I had been a J.A. fan since she appeared in the Railway Children which my father also showed at the cinema. Being impressionable at that age I fell in love with Jenny how could you not do so. That was nothing more than true love, a boyish crush maybe but love none the less. Knowing that i would most likely never meet the girl who i so admired, and still do. At 44 i find the film and the closing scene most beautiful and brings back fond memories when, as a lad in puberty, I fell for what was the most beautiful thing in the world to me. I have just bought on ebay a copy of the film score (Walkabout) and the memories just came flooding back. I try and watch the film every time it is on the small screen.
She will always be in my heart and to those people who criticse the film for the nude scenes they do not understand and never will.
That's a beautiful post Kenny and one that mirrors my own personal history with the film very well. I first watched the film as a young teenager more then ten years later than you and had the exact same reaction to it and to J.A. I also get the same nice feeling of nostalgia when watching it now at 32.
One should judge a man mainly from his depravities.Virtues can be faked.Depravities are real.Kinski
Mr Movie Guy continues to amuse us all with his antics, but in spite of his not listening to any answers given, I would like to say something about the nudity in the film.
The film as a whole creates a comparison between tribal cultures, steeped in the ways of old, and modern civilization. While there is an element of sexuality in the film, the nude scenes do not support it, but rather support the contrast between the taboo of nudity in modern culture and its acceptance in the aboriginal culture. Jenny's character is swimming nude because she is gradually embracing the world she finds herself in (something her brother does much more easily), a world where nudity is not looked upon with consternation.
It is for this reason, and not for the sake of sexual provocation, that the nudity is present in the film.
But it should be pointed out that the scene is a fantasy, not a flashback, beause she was never comfortable enough around her guide to express her affection for him, much less to take off her clothing in front of him. It expresses a longing for what could have been.
This is really strange thing to focus on in a PG-rated movie based on a children's book. I had no idea Jenny Agutter was underage (she doesn't look it), but who really cares 30 years later? Normal men from pre-puberty to senility are going to look at certain body parts of sexually-mature females whether they're dressed or naked and they're not going to ask for ID to see whether the woman is 16 or 35. When I think of this movie, I think of the startling cinematography and editing and how amazing the Australian countryside looks and the incredible ending with that beautiful A.E. Houseman poem. Jenny Agutter swimming nude was just a detail in a whole beautiful tapestry.
By the way in the book the girl Agutter plays is 11 years old and she and her little brother are naked the whole story. That might have been uncomfortable to see on screen, but by making the character older they actually added an element of sexual tension that really wasn't in the book. There's nothing you can do about it though--people just naturally have dirty minds (and the moralists most of all).
Jenny Agutter wasn't underage when the film was made as she was 16. Under UK law this means she was over the age of concent and it was perfectly legal to film and show her undressed in the movie.
I think certain people make to much of the swimming scene. Yeah there is a certian sensuality about it, but what do you expect? Here we have a very attractive young woman swimming naked in a what anyone would describe as a beautiful location while possibly John Barry's most loveliest music cue plays over the top. It's very memorable, but so are many of the other things from this wonderful movie. I echo the above comment of lazarillo when they say:
"When I think of this movie, I think of the startling cinematography and editing and how amazing the Australian countryside looks... Jenny Agutter swimming nude was just a detail in a whole beautiful tapestry"
I could not have put it better myself. This film is memorable for so many other reasons, why many people home in on this part is a little beyond me (indeed the UK DVD actually features a slightly obscured still from this scene as it's front cover image).
As for the very last scene, I think it is somewhere on this board (or maybe on "my thoughts on Walkabout") someone says it that "there's something wrong with this scene". Like what? I think it's lovely, it works really well in the context of the film and ends it on a nice melancholy note. Infact if that were a real life situation (rather than staged for the movie) and, as this scene implys, they had stayed together at the farm rather than gone home, I would love to be in Luc's (young boy) position, or for that matter David (older boy) or Jenny's at that moment in time. The water looks so clean and fresh and warm, and they are having such fun, nothing sexual about the situation at all.
"I think you're a load of old crap too, Mr Mulligan!"
My apologies for interrupting the thread here, but I just can’t help myself. Some very interesting comments from various camps of thought, indeed. I have recently seen the film and wanted to add my two cents.
First, the question of Jenny Agutter’s age is rather detracting. Regardless of how old she may have been at the time of the filming of Walkabout, her character is certainly a very young adolescent –maybe anywhere between 13 and 16 and will remain that age thanks to DVD technology. Please keep in mind that most actors we see in films or TV programmes represent characters very much their junior. Nonetheless, I don’t believe anyone or gender was exploited in this film. Obviously, I’m in agreement with those who argue that the scenes of nudity and the girl and boy’s (aborigine) skimpy clothing simply fit the plot of the film. As a result, I won’t bother adding any more to it. Oh, I am quite aware that there are some who are going to get excited about seeing a girl’s knee-cap, neckline, rear-end, or even a half naked black male standing so close to a helpless young fertile white female; but there’s not much use in arguing with that group.
Second, although the film’s cinematography is amazing, there were implicit and explicit scenes suggesting sexuality that should be addressed. Actually, it is on this count that I would have anticipated a lot of heated debate. In one scene, for example, the camera angles upward towards a tree that resembles female genitalia with a pair of branches extending outward like a pair of slender legs. The list of such scenes within the film implying some level of sexuality is too long to go on about at this time. What is important to remember is that the film opens up by telling us about how a male aborigine is tested before becoming a man within his tribe and how it ends. The girl he meets is his unexpected Eve. This is of course where the explicit sexual content of the film comes into play. And this is where I assume that the film pulled off something miraculous for its day. The confrontation between black and white, male and female, survival and coming of age, while set in the Australian outback, was an extremely venturesome undertaking for its day –never mind the cheeks in the pond. The film must be appreciated for what it represented in the context of its period and the whole argument about Jenny's age and how much of her we see simply detracts from this.
I’m not familiar with the films history, but I’m certain that it caused a furor upon its release in 1971. Over thirty years later, it still gets people a little excited. All the same, I think the film was done tastefully and purposefully.
Well, I guess I am way too late with this comment. Anyway, when movieguy2004 or whatever his name was was talking about ancient art and nudity being acceptable, he offered that quote about postmodern art explaining how art is different now. The humor there is that the quote beings with saying, "Art since 1980 has been called Post-Modern." Walkabout came out in 1971. His point about the differences in art could be true (everyone has a different opinion about art, and not all art since 1980 will fit the description), it doesn't apply to this film since Walkabout predates "post-modern" by 9 years. I am just surprised no one said anything about that before.
"I am feeling grief for him. I can't seem to control it. I wish to do more violence!"-Illyria
I don't think it is out of line to question the motives of the filmmakers. Films aren't made to be art, they're made to make money. Hence we see all the "beautiful" female nudity (because it sells films) and we see very little of the "beautiful" male nudity (male nudity does NOT sell films). Sorry but it's just that simple.
If it were about art, we'd see a lot more nude males because while we're all going on and being so high minded about the beauty of the human body, I must point out that most men are not interested in art at all when it comes to seeing other men nude. Somehow art just flies out the window in that instance.
Let's at least admit the double standard here. If the "human body" is so beautiful, why do so many men insist that the male body is "ugly"?
There is male nudity in Walkabout. Just for another example, one of my favorite films of the last few years is Y Tu Mama Tambien, and there is more male nudity in that then female(although there is a lot of both).
Friends don't let friends vote Democrat. Vote intolerance 2004
"I am feeling grief for him. I can't seem to control it. I wish to do more violence!"-Illyria
Please -- check the dictionary for the word "tolerance" before ever using it again.
There is a very fleeting shot of David and Luc naked at the end, but lots more shots of Jenny. Not that it bothers me at all. I thought in this film it was actually very well in context. Although one does have to wonder what exactly The Girl is remembering since she was so disturbed by David showing up at the window while she had been bathing. When she remembers, she's completely nude as is he and her brother and she seems perfectly ok with it. What's up with that?
I own Y Tu Mama Tambien, the unrated version. Being female, I don't really mind male nudity (unless it's Denis Franz). I guess you could say we don't have a good balance in film representation of the HUMAN body. We have an overabundance of the FEmale body. I just think it's hypocritical for a person to blather on about art and the human body but then be taken aback at seeing a naked man on screen. Not that YOU were, but people in general. Like when I saw A KNight's Tale and Bettany's bum showed up for its closeup and a guy in one of the rows in front of me like, jumped and groaned in displeasure. That was pretty funny since I am supposed to sit and happily watch naked female parts the size of a building without complaint. It's just bizarre.
But about Walkabout, I think it was all very well done and I don't really see a terrible problem. I've seen much worse by way of female nudity in other films. And the Boy wasn't even present when Jenny was in the water doing her lengthy bath scene. I guess perhaps it was just a little lengthy, but otherwise ok.
To be optimistic, I do think that the film world is starting to even out (albeit slowly) in reguards to how acceptable male nudity is. The Good Girl is another recent film that comes to mind. The only explicit nudity is Tim Blake Nelson's full frontal, which is pretty funny. There was a time, not that long ago, when the sight of a penis would result in an easy nc-17, but that speaks more about the stupid double standards of the MPAA. I don't know about anyone else, but I find nude bodies preferable to dead ones. Although, I am with you about Denis Franz, there are just some things that shouldn't.... just no.
What I think is an interesting flip side, the word penis is a far more acceptable word to say then Vagina, at least where I am from. I do wonder why that is.
On a side notem Tolerance- sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own.
Now, my line was only intended as a joke, but I made a mistake. I don't know for a fact who friends let friends vote for. If it is Bush being refered to (I mean no insult if you are a fan of GW), he is intolerant. However, being that I don't like to vote democrat either, me saying that really doesn't make all that much sense. Sorry if you felt insulted.
"I am feeling grief for him. I can't seem to control it. I wish to do more violence!"-Illyria
I suppose the only person who knew exactly why he had nudity (or as much nudity) in the film is Nicolas Roeg, and the rest of us can just make guesses. But firstly, to the age question: I remember an interview with Jenny Agutter when she spoke about filming those scenes and she recalled that she had surprised herself by being able, as a young girl of 16 (her words), to get completely undressed in front of the entire crew and act in the scene. As for the nudity: I think some posters have already referred to what may have been the intention behind this. The tagline to this film was "The Aborigine and the girl 30,000 years apart ...together." Jenny Agutter was first shown naked swimming in a pool, just a short distance away were a scientific group where the men were attempting to get a glimpse of the woman scientist's breasts - the way of the western world. Cut to the pool, Jenny Agutter who had been led to the pool by the Aborigine, was swimming naked; the young aborigine man made no attempt to "spy" on her. It was a whole different world to that just over the ridge - 30,000 years apart. Then later we see that his walkabout is almost concluded, he is emerging as a man and we see his sexual awakening where he sees her as a woman, a possible mate. But she is too young or too different or a combination of both; what is clear is that she does not want him. Her nudity at that time, more importantly, her refusal to let him see that nudity, was a rejection of him as a man ... and he kills himself. I think the final moment was one of the best in the film. Talk of promotion and day to day worries and struggles were so removed from her days while on walkabout. What would her life have been been like if she had not run away from him? And we are given a glance of what that life might have been; simple and innocent and a whole culture away from what she had instead settled for. Was it all necessary? How better could it be demonstrated that the schoolgirl could both accept and reject the enormous cultural differences between herself and the young aborigine other than by showing her doing both. Her trust in him and his way of life by swimming nude while he was but a short distance away, her running from him when it became apparent that he saw her as desirable, her possible regret and wonderment of what it might have been like had she not done so.
" The Good Girl is another recent film that comes to mind. The only explicit nudity is Tim Blake Nelson's full frontal, which is pretty funny."
*thinks* Ah yes! The running out of the house naked scene played for a laugh. It was kind of icky as the actor isn't very fit.
"There was a time, not that long ago, when the sight of a penis would result in an easy nc-17,"
I thought that time is NOW. lol I found it odd that the Rated version of Y Tu Mama Tambien could include shots of Luisa fully nude, but certain scenes concerning the males wee trimmed or cut. Like the semen in the pool -- cut. The kissing between the boys at the end -- trimmed. I don't understand those cuts, honestly. When it comes to anything male, Hollywood balks.
"I don't know about anyone else, but I find nude bodies preferable to dead ones. Although, I am with you about Denis Franz, there are just some things that shouldn't.... just no."
It depends, though. I'm sure no one wants to see an UNattractive nude body. I just don't think the "human body beautiful" arguments hold up at all because they're not honest. It's not the beauty of the body we're "celebrating".
"If it is Bush being refered to (I mean no insult if you are a fan of GW), he is intolerant."
Everyone is intolerant. I don't think being intolerant always equals BAD. I just think most people don't understand that it is not easy to be tolerant, and many people who think they are tolerant aren't being tolerant because they already AGREE with what they think they are merely "tolerating." So to tell others to be tolerant is a misnomer in those cases because they don't realize that tolerance does mean sacrifice.
"I thought that time is NOW. lol I found it odd that the Rated version of Y Tu Mama Tambien could include shots of Luisa fully nude, but certain scenes concerning the males wee trimmed or cut."
There are two forces at work her. One is the fact that male frontal nudity is more explicit then female. With a woman, all you see is hair, usually, but the penis is hanging out there.
However, there is definitly a double standerd at play as well. Not much I can say about that. I do find it sad that a film that makes fun of sex is considered fine, but try to deal with the subject in a serious manner, and it's taboo.
oh, and I was just playing off your joke with the line about Dennis Franz. It wasn't meant as a serious comment.
"I am feeling grief for him. I can't seem to control it. I wish to do more violence!"-Illyria