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'70s Flicks -- What Is It About Them?


I don't know where else to post this, but Vanishing Point is a good a place as any.

A friend and I were talking movies, and we both noted there is a certain type of 'feel' to many movies from the '70s. And I'm not talking nostalgia, I'm talking about the cinematography or the lenses they were using at that time, or 'something'. I don't know. But you can watch many movies from this decade and immediately know they were filmed in the '70s.

For example: Flicks like; Billy Jack, Breaking Away, Slap Shot, Electra Glide In Blue, Fat City, etc.

These movies appeared so naturalistic. Such as, the secondary characters and the extras in these movies, they looked as if they had no makeup applied; as if they had just walked in off the street for a quickie scene. A sort of cinema-verite. The principal actors didn't look as if they had too much pancake on either. Maybe it was the movie budgets? I don't think the movie industry was doing too well at the time until Star Wars came out and restored interest in block buster films and people starting going back out spending their money.

Maybe that, and the era it was -- still carrying on some sort of '60s message, and filmed in a B-movie style.

I don't know how else to put it. But I've always enjoyed these flicks from the '70s. Not only because of their good stories and good scripts, but the way they were filmed. (Ahhhh....the days before CGI!)

Anybody agree or can offer some help?

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You are probably correct.

If you get the DVD of George Clooney movie, Michael Clayton, one of the special features, I think the director's commentary ... he talks about using these seventies lenses (and having a DP who understood using them) that gave the movie a very special look.

Beyond that, I'm sure there are people who can tell you a lot more than I can!

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I know what you mean even if I can't define it. A sort of "naturalistic grittiness?". I was a teenager at the time and when I see the movies now as opposed to in the theatre at the time they just look...different. Is it possible it has something to do with decaying film stock?

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Thanks for all those thoughts, and the info about the Michael Clayton flick and using '70s lenses. Yeah, I can certainly tell there is a 'special' type of cinema feel to '70 movies.

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Five Easy Pieces is another good example. It just looks like a bunch of people got together one day and decided to make a movie. No one looks much like a movie star, not even Jack Nicholson. Like a slice of real life.

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Looking at 70's movies, you see the hair, very long, on both men and women. The double knit pants on the guys, and the mini skirts and panty hose on the girls.
When filming on location the extras were not professional actors and thus weren't "pretty" as we see in film today. And the BIG cars. All this says 70's for those of us who lived there then. I know that's how I relate to those times.
Also in this film at least we see a nude young lady with a beautiful natural body, unlike the lypo'd, enhanced, botoxed, beauties ? in todays films.
Another film of the period that was an independent, original, written, produced, directed, financed and starred in by the lead actor, who also did his own stunt driving was "Gone in 60 Seconds". That film screams 70's. Although crude by modern standards it has the same look. As one poster commented the lenses or age of the film my also have something to do with the feeling you get from movies of that era.
I think many films were made with small budgets that required real places to film rather than expensive sets. This will give a gritty realism to the picture also.
I rank Vanishing Point, along with Bullitt, Gone In 60 Seconds, and The French Connection as some of the best "Driver's" films of the era ever made. Not for the critic, but for the average "car guy".
A modern car guy "chase" movie that fits in with these earlier works is "Ronin" with Richard DiNero.

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I just saw "Vanishing Point" last nite on Fox Movie Channel. I enjoyed the picture and understand what the OP is commenting regarding 70's movies. There was like a natural edge to them. Having grown up in that decade, I guess I was too young to really appreciate the feel these types of movies bring forth.

It just seems the 70's had their own "film noir" status as well.

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>>Also in this film at least we see a nude young lady with a beautiful natural body, unlike the lypo'd, enhanced, botoxed, beauties ? in todays films.<<

That's a good point. Movies today are so over-produced, and so slick, and leaving nothing to chance; that you don't feel like you're watching a real scene, but more of a graphic novel (animated) on screen - a sort of lite version of the movie, Sin City. As for natural beauty - there is none anymore. If you've ever been around these people, especially the women, in real life (I have, but only as a worker bee); seeing them with their ultra blond hair, overly-blue eyes, the fake enhanced breasts, the mis-shapen faces from the surgeries and treatments - well, I don't want to call them freaks, but they do stand out as oddities. They've gone into another dimension and don't even realize it. (Joan River's face and Gwyneth Paltrow's leg goop are recent examples). And you wonder whether you could spend any meaningful time with these people and you conclude, no. And when they open their mouths and speak - that closes the case.

Good point on the natural beauty.

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Part of the 70's look was the film stock they used. For a good example of this watch John Carpenter's Christine, the opening sequence of the car being built was shot on Fuji Film, the rest of the movie is Filmed on Kodak film. Ok I know it wasn't a 70's film but it was the best example of how film stocks look different, the Fuji stuff has a softer more 70's look than the Kodak stuff. Cameras and lenses have changed over time and part of that can be seen in the movies. But there is more to it than that. The further back you go in film making the longer the ASL ( Average Shot Length ) thats the time between visible cuts. You watch a film from the 60's or 70's they almost have this slow draggy feel to it. Thats because there are very long shot lengths. The camera holds one angle some times for a whole scene of dialogue. Now you look at a modern film with ASLs of 14 seconds or less. Actually 14 Seconds was more 90s style, now we are seeing ASLs of 5 and 4 seconds. Part of this comes from a lot of camera operators and directors in film today got their start in music videos and that quick flashy style worked well for rock videos. The first time I watched Vanishing Point it drove me nuts, it seemed so slow and boring because I was so used to how a modern film maker would do a car movie. Thankfully I watched it again, the second time i began to appreciate what the film maker was doing, its now one of my favorite films of all time. Another difference is no CGI and a lack of slow motion. Crash scenes in those films were shot different, they were more real. The camera was usually at a safe distance with a long lens. Some real human being was driving a real car. No impossibly close camera angles greatly slowed down to show the exact moment a bolt comes loose from the car to fly past and actor's head that was shot a month later on green screen. Nope, all real time crashes. All these things add up. Many directors now are trying to film things more old school, I like it.

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This is a pretty good response.

I would also like to add the 70s films were heavily influenced by the 60s European cinema. They were downbeat and had a lot of anti-heros.

Jaws and Star Wars brought in the era of the blockbuster.

I love the longshots of the 70s. The quick shots of the recent times gives me headaches.

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The 'look of 70's films' included bell bottom pants, afros, long hair, Elliot Gould, Dustin Hoffman, Barry Newman types (i.e. non-macho looking heros), plus lots of films ending in the death of the lead character. Also, there was plenty of nudity for no other reason then the T&A factor :-).

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This is an interesting string, but I need to chime in: I think you need to see these films in 35mm (some, very few in 70mm) to establish any trends. As a film fanatic I saw virtually every studio release in first run during that decade, and as many foreign films and indies (think New World, New Line, Crown, etc.) as possible during the '70s, and they came in all shapes and sizes. The British films, from Ken Russell, Nic Roeg and a dozen other talented directors had a completely different visual style than the American films, with Vanishing Point an interesting hybrid since it was a British production filmed in America. Even Sarafian's British films of the period (late '60s on) look radically different from his American ones. There were also a few far-from-gritty epic films still being made, though for budget reasons the '70s was a decade of mainly low-budget films (RECALL that from '71 through '75 there was a budget cap on all films being made set at $15 million due to the disasters of the '60s, not lifted till independent producers made King Kong and A Bridge to Far in 1976).

So I think that you will need to see 35mm revival prints of a good cross-section of these '70s films to make any judgments. Videos on a tv screen, and that includes Blu Ray, present an entirely different look. And 35mm revivals have another stumbling block in that color fading was a problem back then (Scorsese led the '80s march towards preservation, as even Jaws was faded in all its prints for awhile). The current vogue of reviving '70s porn on DVD shows the pitfall here: those old '70s hardcore films didn't look as crappy firstrun as they do in DVDs transferred from beat-up surviving prints. Similarly, the whole "grindhouse" nostalgia mentality misses the point -many of those B-movies in the '70s were seen in pristene prints -especially to fans early in the run. They only got beat up late in the day when shown in revival double features -Vanishing Point being a good example, as I got to see the film pristene in a sneak preview in Philadelphia before it was released, and 4 or 5 years later was still catching it from time to time at drive-in showings sporting plenty of green vertical lines & scratches, paired with other Fox product including compatible films like The French Connection and Dirty Mary Crazy Larry.

I saw 2001 back in 1968 several times (I was one of the many cultists who sat up near the front row to get the full experience) in Cinerama on a vast curved screen, and that experience cannot be simulated at all with either a 35mm print (flat) exhibition or at home on video. Even the visual distortion (notable in the Margaret Tyzack scenes aboard the space station) was part of the "curved" experience.

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And not to make this thread any more complex, but I've always felt there was a 'subset' of these '70s flicks - those of the gritty cop dramas of the northeast, particularly NYC. Movies like: The French Connection, The Friends of Eddie Coyle, The Seven Ups, etc. (There are others, but that's what comes to mind immediately). They were '70 flicks, but they dwelved deeper into the dingy, gritty streets of NYC, New Jersey, and Boston. They always seemed to be filmed in the cold, gray days of autumn where the actors got to wear their Robert Hall or John's Bargain Basement coats, leather jackets, and sporting goofy hats. Good, moody flicks to get into.

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"A New Hope," shot in the '70s, tries to avoid most of the common '70s trends, and it does a good job of feeling "timeless" (it feels modern to this day), but even that, you can kind of tell by the way the film looks, and a few hairdos.

"That '70s Show," while it got the '70s just right, particularly in earlier episodes, still feels "modern" because the film looks like new film, not whatever it is that they originally used (35mm?).

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The use of the extras in VP is very natural, uncanny I think in the way they look like real bystanders which gives a documentary feel.
I'm guessing but they were probably told where to stand and just watch the car stunt and forget they're on camera.

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Right! Also, the seven ups, the taking of Pelham 123, Charley Varrick and of course, Dirty Harry

Gritty realism with real artful direction/ cinematography.

A great period for film, the best IMO.

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Gotta say Thunderbolt and Lightfoot. Cimino's first (and BEST) film.



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Adding to the gritty, realistic aura of great 70s films:

1. NO CGI !!! None! Real extras, real explosions.

2. No intrusive, stilted, manipulative, overdone musical scores!

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Although, VP had a little bit of 2. - what with the sappy overdone score during the beach love scene? :)

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