Mama Mia!!


Why is that a mother can (at least in a movie) have sex with her 14-year-old son and we think it is beautiful coming of age story but if the sexes are reversed we are outraged. If the sexes were reveresed with a father and daughter this movie would have probably been banned. Anytime there is a movie about father daugter incest it is considered abuse anad the girl winds up tramatized. I guess that is just our view in society that a young boy having sex with an older woman is a good thing even if it is his own mother. I am not saying that this is a bad movie I am just saying film makers need to take risks and do it the other way around. Just because a young girl has sex with some one older her life will not be runied even if it is her father. Directors refuse to make movies like this because they are afraid of offending people they would rather see a young boy get off with 50-year-old than to see a young girl even remotely enjoy sex.

I am sorry to go off on a rant but this movie really got me going partly because it was well done but the director probably would have never done it with the sexes reversed and with a happy ending. So do you agree that directors should start taking more risks with this type of subject matter?

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Dude, I don't think anyone would ever film incest like this...

A boy having sex with his mother? That's just disturbing, in so many ways :P

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Not if your mother looked like a Playboy Centerfold.

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The Ballad of Jack and Rose, which is a lovely movie, visits the theme of father-daughter incest. Camilla Belle would love to have sex with her father, Daniel Day Lewis.

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Interesting point. I was surprised myself, watching it..how at times it'd be really uncomfortable to watch and other times..it was really beautifully done. Hats off to Louis Malle's delicate approach for making incest with a minor appear sweet and innocent. I guess for me because Laurent was such a tender and sensitive character, and those are endearing qualities, the viewer sort of loses sight of how wrong it is to misplace those affections on his mother. The males in the film are set up to be mature men even if they're young. The brothers take Laurent to a brothel, the family laughs at the end about him sleeping out somewhere else, etc. While the girls of the same age are portrayed as prudish, waiting for love, being virgins, etc. I think a role reversal of sexes would have been much harder to pull off with the same effect.

Seeing Laurent's first sexual experience in a brothel as very emotionless in contrast to how empassioned and childlike he'd become around his mom sort of compelled me to prefer his pure love for his mother. I don't know what would parallel that in dealing with a teenage girl. Society's views of gender roles would make audiences more easily disturbed I'd think if this was about a young girl and her father.

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I think it was very disturbing (or had been if it had been more believable), and think it's strange that so many people here find it "beautiful". I guess that's how the movie tries to present it, and people are just blindly going along with this premise without thinking their own thoughts, or even feeling their own feelings in a way.

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I understand where you're coming from, but I don't think it really applies to this film. The scene between Laurent and his mother is hardly sexy, inviting or tantalizing; it is a scene of emotional desperation and loneliness. And it's not as if the mother seduces him, if she had the film would be far more controversial and probably would not be nearly as good.

Now, if the roles were reversed, and it was a father-daughter relationship, it would truly depend on how it was handled. Like with this film, the material could have been handled horribly, but because of Malle's brilliant writing and direction the film works. It truly depends on the story and how the filmmakers handle it. I don't think it's that much of a gender issue.



Those pictures of Christ sweaty and bare chested on the cross always made me kind of hot

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This is a 1971 French film. I don't have a title right now but I'm sure the kind of film you mention with incest of the opposite sexes actually exists. In the 70s there was even a movement to allow sex with children, backed by plenty of renown people and intellectuals, and actual rapists of children got ridiculous sentences compared to today (something even true in the US, see the Polanski affair).

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